7 Big Questions About Battlestar Galactica’s Finale

The “reimagined” version of Battlestar Galactica is easily the best Science Fiction show of the past decade. At its peak, it was one of the best shows on all of television. It combined the excitement of space adventure with the human drama of the day-to-day coping of a people without a home, as well as social commentary about religion, politics, and society writ large. After this tremendous build over four seasons, the creators of Battlestar Galactica had a tall order to properly wrap up the series. With so many mysteries and plot twists and burning issues to settle, the final episode of BSG tried not only to reach a satisfying conclusion, but to provide answers. Unfortunately, it left me with the following seven rather significant questions.

Note: This should go without saying, but this article contains boatloads of spoilers for the entire run of Battlestar Galactica. If you have not seen the show, do yourself a favor and watch it rather than letting me spoil things for you.

 


1. Why would everyone give up technology?

Apollo’s suggestion that an entire civilization of nearly forty-thousand people give up all technology is a pretty radical one. The show hand-waves this issue with a statement about what people will do for a clean slate, but it feels like a cheat. This is a group of people who have lived with advanced technology their entire lives. Are we really to believe that the every last member of the fleet shares Apollo’s vision for a pastoral life?

First of all, this is the same group of people who were ravenously attempting to strip Galactica of all its technological goodies the second they realized it would no longer be in service. They’re the people who rioted and used violence when food supplies were running low. Now they’re all willing to be farmers? How do you turn this pack of humans who have repeatedly been shown as fighting over their creature comforts into the Amish country?

 

Apollo changed his tune when he realized he would have to give up his blow dryer.

 

Secondly, one of the best parts of BSG was how the show’s creators repeatedly confronted the issue of dissent among the fleet. They consistently went out of their way to show that not every decision was popular, and that many resulted in a great deal of controversy and resistance throughout the remaining human population. There has always been a variety of opinions represented on the show, and that’s one of the aspects that added realism to a series about spacemen fleeing killer robots. Case-in-point – the finale is only few episodes removed from a large-scale mutiny. How is it that tens of thousands of people are suddenly all in agreement on something as drastic as forgoing all of their civilization’s technological advancements?

What many fans love about BSG is the realistic bent it takes toward the rigors of balancing democratic values and the need for survival in governing a large group of people. The finale throws this out the window. It’s hard-to-swallow that the same fleet that showed a diversity of opinion on a multitude of topics both major and minor would buy this company line wholesale.

 

2. What the hell is Kara “Starbuck” Thrace?

One of the biggest mysteries of the fourth season of Battlestar Galactica was who, or what, the returning Kara “Starbuck” Thrace is. After Apollo sees her ship explode, Starbuck is presumed dead, and she is mourned by her friends and compatriots. Then, two months later, she shows up out of nowhere in a mysteriously brand new viper, spunky and boisterous as ever. This improbable series of events leads the crew, and the audience, to wonder: Is she a human? Is she a Cylon? Is she something else entirely?

The show stoked the flames of this mystery. The “Previously on Battlestar Galactica” segments often featured Kara asking “What am I? A ghost? A demon?” It shows Starbuck seemingly having found her earthly remains, with a positive DNA match to boot. In the episodes following her return, Starbuck has a psychic sense about where to find Earth; she sees visions of her dead father, and she even remembers a song that ends up leading the way to the fleet’s new home. The Cylon Leoben had intimated for years that Starbuck had a “special destiny,” but just who or what is she?

 

Maybe she's this guy - top-selling recording artist Rod Stewart.

 

The show never tells us. In the series finale, all we get is her statement to Apollo that she thinks she’s completed her mission and that it feels good. Then she disappears into thin air. No explanation. No exposition. Nothing. Was she, as Leoben theorized, an angel? Was she an instrument of God? Did she, as hybridized Anders seemed to indicate, cross over to the other side?

Good luck looking for answers. No show can resolve every plot point ever raised in the entirety of the series run. This is particularly true for a series like BSG that was filled to the brim with twists and mysteries. The nature of Kara’s identity, however, was one of the central foci of the fourth season. This was the endpoint of the character arc for one of the show’s main leads and one of its most beloved personalities. Perhaps the show’s creators did not want to spell everything out, but why not add in at least a few more details about what she was and why she was sent back? She’s only one of the coolest, most significant characters in the series.



3. Why is no one worried about the other bad Cylons out there?


So “The Colony” is accidentally destroyed. Great! Plus the evil Cylons that are on board Galactica are all dead too. Swell! The Cylon threat is destroyed and we can just live our technophobic carefree lifestyle on Earth forever! Huzzah!

There’s just one problem – what about the other Cylon base ships out there containing missiles, nuclear weapons and a pack of angry Cylons still hell-bent on revenge? Were all of the base ships back at the colony for some reason? Surely Cavil has more than a few copies zigzagging the galaxy searching for the fleet.

 

"Don't let the jaunty hat fool you. I'm really quite evil."

 

As far as we know, the evil Cylons are still out there – hunting for the survivors and ready to destroy them at the drop of a hat. Why is everyone so blithely willing to treat this like a pure victory and destroy or give away humanity’s only means of defense or escape?

Maybe it would be hard for the bad guys to find Earth, but if the Final Five are any indication, they have plenty of time to keep looking. At least with New Caprica, there was a nearby nebula that made DRADIS hard to use, providing some measure of protection from discovery. Earth has no such safe harbors. Nobody bothered to keep a few vipers and raptors around and keep a patrol going just in case? The colonists on Earth are essentially sitting ducks. No one seems to be the least bit concerned about this and I have no clue why.


4. Did Hera procreate with a caveman?

So Hera is “Mitochondreal Eve.” Even though that probably doesn’t mean what the creators seem to think it does, the implication is clear. Hera is meant to be the primogenitor of all of modern day humanity. It at least indicates that all human mitochondria come from her. There’s only one problem with that – it implies that she or one of her early descendants took a caveman lover.

Think about that for a moment. When the crew of Galactica finds a few early homosapiens, they do not even have language yet. Sure, Colonial Humans and Earth Humans are genetically compatible, but one is a civilization that built starships and traveled across the galaxy, and the other is one that fashions spears and crosses the landscape in loincloths. There’s a reason that the Star Trek universe has the prime directive to prevent the Kirks and Rikers of the galaxy from enjoying a little Friday Night hominid.

The end result leaves us with two possibilities. The first is that Hera or one of her offspring took advantage of a caveman who did not understand her language, let alone consent, and produced a child. The second is that nobody copulated with the natives, but rather the Colonial Humans completely supplanted the native humans on Earth. Whether you go with Neanderthal love or genetic obsolescence, neither choice is particularly pleasant.

 

 

5. Do god’s angels lust after mortal beings?

When the finale rolled around, the show’s creators resolved one of the foundational mysteries of the series. Namely, what’s the story behind the people who only Gaius Baltar and Caprica Six can see? After seasons of teases and red herrings, the ending reveals that they are not merely hallucinations from a troubled subconscious nor the result of a microchip implanted in Baltar’s brain. Instead, they’re real beings with an entirely separate existence.

They identify themselves as literal “angels of god.” This explains their ability to appear to only a select few, their knowledge of otherwise unknowable details, and their particular religious focus. I can’t say I loved this reveal; it’s a bit problematic when you have to rely on magical powers to resolve a major plot point, but it’s still a solid resolution of one of the show’s central questions. There’s only one nagging question with all of this – what’s up with their carnal interest in mortal beings?

 

You think that's skimpy? Gabriel used to fly around in nothing but a thong and body glitter.

 

The Angelic Six is shown constantly engaging in some pretty risqué acts with Baltar during the trip. From grabbing him during important meetings to full-on…ascension to Heaven, Angelic Six gets pretty dirty for one of God’s messengers. Starbuck even walks in on Baltar and, unbeknownst to her, Angelic Six, copulating in his laboratory (with a delightfully awkward aftermath). This wasn’t the first time this had happened between Gaius and his erstwhile hallucination, and it wouldn’t be the last in the series.

So what’s the deal? Do god’s angels realize that Gaius is a sleazebag and appealing to his libido is the only way to get through to him? Why did Angelic Six occasionally seem jealous when Gaius was with other women? Do beings on a higher plane of existence still need their physical fix now and then in the BSG universe? It’s all just a little odd in retrospect.

 

6. What happened to Galen Tyrol?

Galen Tyrol got one of the worst lots in all of Battlestar Galactica. First it turns out that the woman he loves is a Cylon. Then she gets killed just when he starts to resolve his feelings toward her. Then a twin with her memories shows up, but is in love with another man. Then he narrowly escapes a death sentence. Then he has recurring dreams where he’s committing suicide. Then he has a tumultuous marriage with the woman who killed his former love. Then he finds out that he’s a Cylon. Then he thinks his wife committed suicide. Then he finds out she was sleeping with another man and that he’s not the father of the child he’d been raising. Then his former love comes back, only to dupe him into helping her abscond with a child. Finally, he discovers that his wife was actual killed by one of his fellow “Final Five” Cylons. It’s a pretty rough go, to say the least.

When we last see Chief Tyrol, he’s just discovered that it was Tory, a fellow Cylon, who killed his wife. He responds to this information by strangling her to death. This interrupted a transmission of the resurrection instructions to the evil Cylons, ending a short-lived armistice, and throwing the whole ship into chaos. It’s a big moment for one of the most notable characters on the show.

 

"There's no way this simple arm touch could lead to multiple homicides. I swear!"

 

So what’s next for Tyrol? Does he face any repercussions for killing someone who was ostensibly on the side of the good guys? Does he have to struggle to convince other Cylons that his murder of one of the “Final Five” was justified? Will he face a trial? What are his plans on Earth? What’s going through the mind of one of the show’s most interesting characters?

If you watched the regular version of the episode, you have no idea. There are no scenes depicting the aftermath. There’s no discussion about where he’ll be going or what he’ll be doing on Earth. There’s no exploration of his state of mind after all of this whatsoever. If you watched the extended version, or a deleted scene, you learn that he wants to go live at an uninhabited island, hinted to be Scotland or thereabouts, but that’s it. The Chief was there from the very beginning and has played pivotal roles at many points in the show. His story and character deserve more than a meager sendoff that landed on the cutting room floor. I’m starting to think the show’s creators just don’t like him.

 

7. What about Lampkin’s cat and dog?

I admit, this is an incredibly minor point. but it brings up a bigger problem with the ending. Gaius Baltar notes that the odds of genetically compatible humans evolving independently on different planets thousands of light-years away are “astronomical.” He uses this as evidence that a higher power is at work. It makes sense. How else can they explain a civilization finding its species-twin halfway across the galaxy?

There’s just one kicker – apparently the God of the BSG Universe loves cats and dogs as much as he loves humans. At least he sees them as equally worthy of survival. Clearly both felines and canines existed on Caprica, since Romo Lampkin (Gaius Baltar’s lawyer) has owned both. This means that if the planet the fleet finds is really the precursor to our own, then not only did this very active BSG God create a parallel species of humans, but he created parallel ancestors for cats and dogs as well.

Admiral Adama notes that Earth has “more wildlife than all twelve colonies put together.” So why the repeats? Why have a planet that has not only the same type of humans, but their pets as well? Are puppies and kittens just an essential part of any planet’s ecosystem? Was Romo Lampkin the man behind the domestication of wolves ? It just seems pointless or at least random.

 

As a Dallas Cowboys fan, I have mixed feelings about this picture.

 

And therein lies the frustrating part of this finale. All the struggles, all the mysteries, all the trials and tribulations we watched these characters go through amount to an explanation of “God did it.” As Lucy Lawless’s involvement in the series portends, this answer isn’t much more satisfying than “a wizard did it.” Every niggling detail has to be chalked up to some sort of divine plan, and the show’s very human creators simply do not have the capacity to live up to these lofty standards.

At the end of the day, Battlestar Galactica, despite its fantastical setting, was a very human show that depicted the down-to-earth problems of refugees at war, scraping by and searching for a safe place to settle. Chalking up that entire quest to a supernatural guiding hand not only makes those little discrepancies all the more puzzling, but it removes the agency from that struggle. The fleet, and the audience, deserved better.


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291 Responses to 7 Big Questions About Battlestar Galactica’s Finale

  1. Rob says:

    If I remember right, Romo’s cat is dead.

    • red flare graf says:

      I kept wondering where the hell his cat went. I don’t think I ever caught that.

      • Andrew says:

        In the episode where he holds Apollo at gunpoint, we find out that his cat was killed, possibly in retaliation for his defending Baltar.

        The issue I was getting at, though, was more the peculiarity of the fact that there are not only parallel humans halfway across the universe, but parallel cats and dogs as well.

        • James says:

          Yes, the cat is dead, has been dead for weeks. The cat dishes are always empty, just stacked up on a chair at one point. Romo has been imagining the cat for a while.

          Perhaps it was an angel cat.

          • brad says:

            I feel like this isn’t a question that a few simple assumptions couldn’t fix. Are you assuming that on all of the surviving ships only one dog and one cat survived. I’m sure many people traveling before the colonies got nuked (especially the more wealthy travelers who didn’t want to leave home with out their pets) brought their pets with them when they went on vacation or migrated between colonies. perhaps cats and dogs and other pets were completely alien to new earth.

          • Andrew says:

            So you’re suggesting that the colonists brought cats and dogs, who were heretofore alien to Earth, with them when they migrated to the new planet, and those cats and dogs became the primogenitors of our modern day cats and dogs? That would completely contradict our understanding of how felines and canines evolved here.

            More importantly, this just one of many representative plotholes that arise from the idea that Earth was designed for the colonists. Even if we could come up with some tortured logic to sew this one up, there’s boatloads more that the ending created. That’s the larger point I was trying to make.

    • Anonymous says:

      the final was bullshit and left me in a state of despair. They may have well of all died by accidentally jumping into a sun as at least there would have been a comedy element.

      Each character is like a broken doll – a green a blue lush planet can’t fix them. They are so broken they can’t even find solace in each other.

      If Boomer had survived and if Gaius had been able to apply his scientific mind to projects such as water purification I would have been happy.

      The music they were all hearing of course should have been the way they found earther (not magic). Earth should have been advanced beyond caprican and cylon technology and won the war (after sucessfully establishing peace with it’s own cylon population mellenia before.

      It’s like the writers all wanted a holiday and just gave up.

      • ann says:

        I just watched the entire series over the last month, although I fast-forwarded when things got a little too day-time soap complicated. Thankfully I didn’t spend 4 years waiting for that finale. Maybe I watched it in too concentrated a package, but I was left thinking ‘What the !@#$ was that’. I could only think that something must have happened off-screen. They must have thought they were getting renewed then told to wrap it up in a few episodes, then the budget was cut so some interns had to finish with just an outline hastily scribbled by the departing writers.
        Particularly annoying: When Baltar’s last line is that he knows about farming, I thought the actor was trying to cover his laughing, they didn’t have time to refilm it and they cut to him looking weepy. There’s a scene earlier with his nasty old daddy talking about farming – did I miss something or is this the only reference/justification? And why start bring up accents? Baltar is the only dude in the whole series, including the angels and the cylons, with anything but an American accent, except for the Irishy sounding lawyer/new president, and then Baltar’s dad sounding whatever that was. Did they think his urbane accent the only reason we wouldn’t be able to believe Baltar knows anything about farming? The idea that everyone in the universe speaks American English is a part of sci-fi that either has to be explained early or ignored completely.
        And all of the characters seem to end the same, kind of spaced out, walking around in the weeds, poofing away or otherwise making sure they never see each other again (except the suddenly ideal Tigh couple). At least some of the humans are shown as having the sense to take at least a backpack.
        And old Odama is still driving around a little spaceship after everyone just blithely decided to send all their stuff into the sun. But apparently Apollo knows he’s going to fly off and sit next to Laura’s grave til he croaks. (He agrees casually with a pre-poof Starbuck he knows he’s not coming back.) I really wish they had left the idea of God out of it; instead they decided to blame the whole mess on God. Poor God. I barely watched the last part so maybe something in there made it better.

        • Trey says:

          Baltar didn’t grow up on Caprica, he grew up on a little farming planet somewhere in the 12 colonies. He had his father’s accent, the whispy sounding one. He worked to change it and moved to Caprica. This is revealed when Baltar is in the prison before his trial, when he is smuggling pieces of his book out. I think it’s Tyrell who comes and asks him about his accent. He knows about farming because he grew up on a farm. It’s funny because it’s ironic that he grew up hated farming, became a scientist, and now is going back to his roots after travelling a million light years away.

          • Anonymous says:

            Beautiful … That he freed that himself from his pursuit of status to finally arrive at the realization that farming feels like home

          • Anonymous says:

            One of those little bits you miss when you fast forward through the “soap” bits, huh Ann?

          • brad says:

            some of the other people had accents but what i don’t get is this. In the cell when Baltar is talking about changing his accent he talks about his original accent and how he hated the way it “scrapped at the back of the throat” and the rasp of it. He even slips back into the accent and gives us a taste of it. That is not at all what his father sounded like. Also he tell us that he changes his accent to be Caprican. While the Adamas were originally Torran, they grew up on Caprica around Capricans and immersed in Caprican culture and society (likely even the higher society Baltar talked about since their father is a commander in the admiralty) … Why did they not have an accent like Baltar. For that matter why did people like Rosalin who was clearly immersed in the higher society of Caprica not have the accent. The changing of accents and the idea that each colony had a different one was a good idea but the follow through in this case was found wanting.

        • Kyle says:

          There were some other accents. I heard either a South African or New Zealand accent several times from several different people… although it may have been Australian.

          • confused says:

            I just finished watching bsg blood and chrome and it wasnt half bad.
            I have never watched bsg the series except the origonal in the 80s wen I was a kid. ( the vipercycles were kewl! ) lol
            Anyways, I considered watching the series and wanted to check the blogs and let me say I’m glad I did lol
            It seems you all are dissapointed about something or another especially God (it??), yet are still commenting upto a few hours ago.

            Therefore I won’t bother wastching the whole thing in a month like I did breaking bad .. which by the way really put it all neatly together in the end.
            Instead I’ll occasionally catch a random episode from any season and just try & enjoy it purely for its science fiction entertainment value, rather than getting disapointed by my own flawed expectations.
            P.s. “it” loves you!!

        • brad says:

          I think one of the reasons the finale seemed so rushed and poorly constructed was that they thought they were going to have another season but the writers strike of 2007-2008 cut it short. the writers were made to rush to a satisfactory conclusion to finish the writing of the show before the strike took effect. so when you say “They must have thought they were getting renewed then told to wrap it up in a few episodes, then the budget was cut so some interns had to finish with just an outline hastily scribbled by the departing writers” you weren’t far off. :P

        • David says:

          I agree with the OP’s comments and with your additional confusions–great comment about Daddy Adama tooling around in a spaceship when everyone else sent all their ships and technology into the sun. Rank, I guess, still hath its privileges! The sudden agreement of everyone to giving up all technology is a complete break with what was best about the series, as is Adama’s blithe comment that giving the “toasters” their freedom in the hope that they’ll lose their thirst for vengeance is worth the risk to humanity. What?! Now, forgiveness is worth the real threat of the Cylons completing the genocide? Again, the show has been very good up to the finale about how strong the desire for revenge is, and how difficult it is to trust former enemies; but, here at the end, for no good reason, everyone is suddenly willing to forgive. Finally, Cavil’s sudden suicide and the reaction of the Cylons on the Galactica to Galen breaking the link to strangle what’s her name doesn’t make any sense! It’s clearly not a “trick” and clearly not part of the plan. Wily Cavil would have waited to see what develops and he surely wouldn’t blow his own head off when other options still remained to him, like seeing if the link could be reestablished and the download continued after what’s her face’s body was removed. I really didn’t like her and I don’t think she was well written at all. Her murder of Cally was incredibly weakly motivated. Oh yeah, one more thing after “finally”: why the hell doesn’t Adama tell his son where he can find him? Even if he wants to retire from civilization saving–which I get–you’d think he’d still like to have a drink with his son or Saul now and then and see what comes of little Hera, too. Him just sitting there in the middle of nowhere with nothing but Rosalin’s grave to keep him company is just weird and creepy.

        • John says:

          Number 3, D’Anna had a New Zealand accent, played by NZ actress Lucy Lawless.

    • B.Y. says:

      KARA TRACE…..WAS THE CYLON DANIEL THAT CAVIL KILLED. HEAR ME OUT. ELLEN SAID THAT DANIEL WAS SPECIAL THAT HE WAS A ARTIST. KARA PAINTED THAT SYMBOL(RED YELLOW BLUE CIRCLE THING) SAID IT WAS SOMETHING THAT SHE DOODLED EVER SINCE SHE WAS A KID. AND OTHER THINGS ON HER APARTMENT WALL. PLUS SHE COULD PLAY PIANO LIKE SHE KNEW THAT SONG THAT CONVIENIATELY THE FINAL 5 CYLONS KNEW THAT SAME SONG. WHY CAUSE THEY WERE ALL TOGETHER AT ONE POINT. KARA ELLEN TY TYREL ETC. ALL ON THE 13 TH COLONY THE FIRST EARTH. ELLEN SAID THEY WERE WARNED OF THE HOLOCUST THAT WAS COMING THATS WHY THEY BUILT RESURRECTION. THATS WHY KARA’S SHIP WAS FOUND ON THAT EARTH CAUSE SHE WAS THE ONE THAT WARNED ELLEN . NOW I KNOW WHAT YOUR THINKING. BUT MAYBE WHEN DANIEL DIED IT WAS PART OF GODS PLAN HE MADE DANIEL A ANGEL. IN THE FORM OF KARA TRACE…AND HERES A TWIST REMEMBER THERE WERE NO HUMAN REMAINS ON THE FIRST EARTH JUST HUMAN CYLONS AND METAL ONES. AND KARA DID SAY SHE HAD BEEN TO EARTH AND SEEN IT. ILL LET YOU TWIST ON THAT ABIT… NOW BALTAR THE ONE YOU SEE AT THE VERY END OF THE SHOW THE ONE THAT CAN ONLY BE SEEN BY GUYIS AND 6 IS GOD HIM SELF IN HUMAN FORM THATS WHY AT VERY END HE SAYS YOU KNOW HE (GOD) DONT LIKE TO BE CALLED THAT..THEN HE SAYS SILLY ME…(IF YOU NOTICE THAT VERSION OF BALTAR THAT ONLY CAN BE SEEN BY GUYIS AND 6 WAS NEVER EVIL SELF CENTERED OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT) AND WAS AROUND EVER SINCE THE BEGINING SINCE HE NAMED OFF ALL THE PLACES THAT IT ALL HAPPENED BEFORE. ..OTHER BAD CYLONS DID SURVIVE THATS WHY CAVIL SHOT HIMSELF/KILLED HIMSELF CAUSE HE KNEW HE WOULD BE RESSURECTED SOMEWHERE ELSE..REMEMBER ITS ALL HAPPENED BEFORE AND IT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN…REMEMBER ELLEN SAYING THEY GAVE CYLONS RESSURECTION TO STOP THE WAR BETWEEN THEM BACK ON THE FIRST EARTH….THEN AT THE END SULTI OFFERS YO GIVE THEM RESSURECTION TO END THE WAR HMMM…JUST LIKE THE FIRST TIME ELLEN TALKED ABOUT. AND THE BIGGER TWIST EVERYONE IN BATTLESTAR IS PART CYLON….THATS HOW HELO AND ATHENA COULD ACTUALLY HAVE A BABY(HERA) THATS HOW ROSLIN HAD DREAMS WITH ATHENA OF THE OPERA HOUSE… AND HOW ROSLIN SAW THE BLACK WOMAN …THESE WERE NOT DREAMS BUT PROJECTIONS….JUST LIKE HERA PROJECTED WITH BOOMER.. REMRMBER FINAL FIVE WERE IN WHITE GOANS AND GLOWING..NOW DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN ANDREWS WAS ON BED WITH BULLET IN HIS HEAD AND WAS TALKING AND SAID WOW EVERYONE IS GLOWING REMEMBER WHO WAS THERE …THE REST OF THE FINAL 5 AND (BIG AND) KARA! AND KARA WAS GLOWING. HMMM . AND AT THE END OF THE SHOW (HERA) REMAINS WERE FOUND IN TANZENIA AKA LUCY MIDOCONDRIAL EVE…AND GOD VERSION GUYIS SAYS WITH HER HUMAN FATHER AND CYLON MOTHER…AND IT SHOWS ROBOTS THEN THE HUMAN LIKE ROBOT WHICH MEANS IN THE DISTANT FUTURE IT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN..DONT THAT MEAN THEM FUTURE HUMANS ARE PART CYLON/HUMAN….SINCE THEY ARE ALL READY …THE LEOBIN THAT SHOWED KARA HER MOMS DEATH WAS GOD TAKING LEOBINS FORM ..THATS WHY KARA SAID YOUR NOT LEOBIN AND HE SAID THAT….I NEVER SAID I WAS. I have so much more I could tell you but I want to leave this off here, so I can get back your opinions if anyone responds to this. Thank u 4 reading.

      • B.Y. says:

        Oh ya didn’t kara’s mom say she was special too…

      • G.F. says:

        I am glad to see i am not the only one not hating the ending and all that… and what you say makes perfect sense to me.
        I just watched the series the second time and i think only then you know what scenes are key – and you can divert more attention to them to get the picture. However i didn’t get the “silly me” and up until now i did not get the gaius=god thing (always thought he is an alien watching things or an angel if you want), although now it seems rather obvious… since vision-gaius being god could make “flesh-and-blood” gaius being Jesus – a religious leader, which is obiously true.
        What i am not entirely sure about is that thing with “all the remains on “real” earth being cylon”. My idea about this was that there is no real difference between the (humanoid) cylon and the “normal” humans. On original earth there was a humaniod cylon race that created robots and got destroyed by them just as humans on caprica created robots and got destructed at the series beginning. Maybe in another iteration of the “cycle” the race busted by the robots calls themselves cylon, escapes and starts searching for the final five humans…. After all it has been said often that “there is no cylon or human god, its the same”.

        • B.Y. says:

          Kinda what I was getting at ..the second earth at the end the humans are part cylon part human stemming back to Herras remains being found …And them humans will eventually make cylons….Now picture that being that case on Caprica, the first Eart . And the rest of the other world colonies …they all started with humans being part human and part cylon that went on to build there own cylons… Yes like u said cylon god and human god are the same…picture all them worlds started just like the one in the very end finale hence what happened before will happen again. ( and again and again and again etc.)

        • B.Y. says:

          Kinda what I was getting at ..the second earth at the end the humans are part cylon part human stemming back to Herras remains being found …And them humans will eventually make cylons….Now picture that being that case on Caprica, the first Earth . And the rest of the other world colonies …they all started with humans being part human and part cylon that went on to build there own cylons… Yes like u said cylon god and human god are the same…picture all them worlds started just like the one in the very end finale hence what happened before will happen again. ( and again and again and again etc.)

          • G.F. says:

            Exactly. Understanding these cycles makes one feel to have understood not only the part of the BSG universe you have seen in the series, but all of it for all time.
            I think this is what makes me feel the ending was great and the closure was much closer to 100% than that of other series. It also explains why people not getting this might complain about the ending and feel betrayed that everything was pointless. But after all it only was one cycle…

  2. Laura says:

    Exactly how I felt. Part of me wishes the series just ended at 4.0 and didn’t continue to 4.5…

    • Anonymous says:

      in fact a better ending than what was would be just leaving it open.
      They make peace with some of the cylons and both races futures are secured – use the bio agent to fix the ship – establish a peace time government with a focus on growing foods and the quality of living happily in space whilst they casually search for a habitable planet.

      Gauis should have gotten together with Paula too – Caprica and him just wern’t a realistic match by the end. I actually lost all sense of Caprica’s personality what here perpose was – she just became an empty doll.

  3. Alex says:

    Surely #7 is explained by the fact that the planet they have found is Earth, the “thirteenth” and “long lost colony” which used to be colonized by humans, ie. their ancestors, thousands of years before, and regarded by many characters in the series as a myth, whereas it is more properly a legend. This explains the floral and faunal commonality.

    • Andrew says:

      Unless I’m mistaken, I believe the “long lost colony” is actually the nuclear wasteland that the fleet found halfway through Season 4. I don’t think the Earth they eventually settle on was ever visited by the colonials or the cylons before.

      • Alex says:

        Actually, both worlds seem to be “Earth”; the first Earth they reach shows the same, prophesied star constallations as the second Earth they visit. And it’s Starbuck who leads them there, after all. It’s all a bunch of unexplained nonsense, of course, but that’s Battlestar for you.

        • Will says:

          The final “Earth” is only names such because Roslin thought that it would be ironic to name it that. This “Earth” is not the same Earth associated with the 13th tribe.

          • Anonymous says:

            I specifically remember when they found the first wasteland earth, as we were seeing the orbital space shot of the planet, you could see a clear image of the north American continent. Florida was clearly visible.

            Africa was clearly visible on the final earth

          • Anonymous says:

            Adama named it Earth no Roslin

          • Traffordassium says:

            The whole point of the 2 earths in my opinion was for the viewers benefit. Firstly I have to say I checked the image of the first Earth myself to see if they made a mistake and used the Erath wea are all living on now, to me it looked different, I didn’t see North America, I might be wrong though. So when the crew eventually settled on the second Earth, that is the Earth we all libve on now. It was written like that so the viewer would question the fact that there was another planet before ours where we all lived, destroyed it then moved to Caprica etc. The same happened, we destroyed that and had to move again. Eventually settling on modern day Earth. So all this happened thousands of years before us and those people were much more advanced and capable of interstellar travel etc, scary! We’re not the first! The first Earth was the prophesised Earth and the second was a completely new planet to those people, with a new race of people.
            It was written that they all gave up technology so that it would tie in with our current world (we have no such spaceships), and where we are at now is how we evolved from that point onwards. It has happened before and will happen again basically means we will eventually create all that tech again anyway and have to leave the planet because of killer robots. It’s supposed to be a dig at humans wanting to constantly evolve and improve on technology and never stop and just be happy with what we have. It all goes too far, we realise we have made a mistake and then revert back to simpler times. But we can’t stop future generations wanting to advance because we’re all dead by that time!

    • CR says:

      Heh, exactly. This is almost a textbook example of it. It is a classic hallmark of very bad writing.

      • Flufflebuns says:

        So well said.

      • DaveO says:

        From Merriam-Webster.com:
        “Stage device in Greek and Roman drama in which a god appeared in the sky by means of a crane (Greek, mechane) to resolve the plot of a play. Plays by Sophocles and particularly Euripides sometimes require the device. The term now denotes something that appears suddenly and unexpectedly and provides an artificial solution to an apparently insoluble difficulty.”

        So, do tell: exactly what sudden element was introduced to resolve the story?

        • rezzipza says:

          From Merriam-Webster.com:

          obliv·i·ous
          \ə-ˈbli-vē-əs\
          adjective
          : not conscious or aware of someone or something
          Full Definition
          1 :lacking remembrance, memory, or mindful attention
          2 :lacking active conscious knowledge or awareness —usually used with of or to

    • Anonymous says:

      Don’t be cheeky, eh?

  4. jdubrx says:

    Couldn’t they have gotten rid of their technology to hopefully aid in avoiding Cylon detection?

    • li says:

      Exactly! I wish the Apollo had said something about that though … in the scene where they are stripping Galactica down would be the appropriate point, but then who was controlling if potentially “trackable” tech was leaving the ship.

      • brad says:

        in thought of this idea to. Mainly because I was thinking it would have been a nice tie in to an other legend/myth. That would be Atlantis. I was thinking why not have them bring Galatica down in the Atlantic and use it as a hub for their civilization giving rise to the legend of Atlantis. But the problem with that would be if they are just people running around with nothing then the Cylons wouldn’t even notice them but if they have ships and tech in the system the Cylons would know they were there the second they jumped in and looked at the planet. that could be explaination as to why they would have to sink it in the ocean

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  6. James says:

    Even if you abandoned technology utterly there are still scientific discoveries that it would be unconscionable to abandon, such as the germ theory of disease, and the scientific method itself. The BSG ending, even if you take into consideration such works as Daniel Quinn’s “Ishmael” in which civilization is brutally vilified, does not make any sense.

    • jetsly says:

      Exactly. There are a host of common sense objections to be raised here. Would diabetics have cheerfully agreed to be condemned to death by sending the last supplies of insulin hurtling into the sun? Would Cottle have given up scalpels so that he could perform appendectomies with a sharp-edged flake of stone (aka a graver)? But you have gone to the heart of the matter. Science is not simply a matter of invention, it is a way of thinking, and certain concepts would be exceedingly hard to dislodge, even with the passage of eons of time (the wheel is but one example). We can measure the change effected by a small population with superior technology simply by looking at the history of the North American or Australian continents. This would have been a far more likely outcome than positing a disappearance so complete that it has not even left a mark on the fossil or archaeological record. In the end, the producers were played false by their insistence on bringing Cylons and Colonials to our earth. They needed to find another home for Galactica, or bring the fleet to earth in our future rather than our past. The Planet of the Apes theme that is mirrored at the end of 4.0, as many fans have noted, would have tied many of these problems off far more neatly.

  7. My assumption was that their last jump with the damaged Galactica took them somewhere completely else, possibly out of their universe entirely, or to a ludicrously distant galaxy, to the point where there really was no way at all for the Bad Cylons to find them (e.g., if they’re, say, ten billion years’ travel time away from the Cylons, it really doesn’t matter whether the Cylons are still looking for them or not).

    The Cylons may be remorseless killing machines, but I think it’s a pretty safe bet to assume that if they haven’t found the humans after, say, 25,000 years of searching, that they would justifiably conclude that the humans had all perished in the Galactica‘s final jump.

    • Tim says:

      Nope, not possible, since the other BSG fleet ships make the jump. As they’ve shown many times the Cylons have a much longer jump range. Wherever they went, it is also possible for Cylons to go there.

      On the parallel evolution conversation, here’s another problem that might also point to the answer (assuming you want to find a tortured logic here.) At one point on their journey to “Earth” they find a space probe that has a disease that kills cylons. We never find out if it kills the Final Five type cylons… maybe not. But these places – the colonies, the black hole where the “the Colony” hangs out, Final Five Earth, and new Earth – are all a few jumps apart from each other somehow.

      So to make this make sense, that diseased probe might actually have been protecting new Earth, not old Earth… and was intended to keep Final Five Cylons away from a world of humans. It’s possible that after the fall of Kobol, a group of humans went to Earth instead of the 12 colonies or Final Five Earth, and that this group has had thousands of years to devolve. The finale implies that this is also going to happen to the fleet, so that seems possible.

      On the Deus Ex ending, it is true, but then again this show telegraphed this from the very beginning, so that’s not entirely a fair way of looking at it.

      • brad says:

        I think i would enjoy the idea that the new earth people came from the colonies. Maybe they were originally with the final 5 cylons civilization on the exudus from kobol and as the cycle of war repeats they got into a fight. The new earth humans place the probe to protect them selves as they flee after being horribly beaten by the cylons. Their damaged ship finds new earth and it cannot go any further and they are forced to abandon it. Trapped on new earth without the aid of technology they begin to devolve to a primitive society. I think that would have made a better story as to why there were compatable humans on new earth. If they really wanted to bring god into it they could have had the just used the song, said it was inspired by god to unite the humans and tah daaa.

  8. Oogler1 says:

    Actually, they do answer number 2. You find out that she was one of the final five, but her genetic pool gets messed up by Number One, for some reason or another. So when he is Resurrected, he becomes a she. Little strange, but it is explained.

    • A-nonynony says:

      Wait, what? Who says this, and where? Kara wasn’t Daniel, if that’s what you’re talking about. Many fans theorized that Daniel (the boxed Number 7) was Kara’s father, which would have been a great way to explain a lot, but the creators pretty much pooh-poohed this in favor of the “magical disappearing angel” non-explanation.

  9. Stevehops says:

    The entire BSG universe is taking place in a virtual world (this would have been revealed in the series “Caprica.”)

  10. VigRoco says:

    Some questions are better left unanswered (especially when absurd answers are too be expected).

    • George Davies says:

      This is the first comment on here that I agree with.
      Everyone hates the ending so much, and I don’t understand why?
      Trying to completely conclude BSG would have seemed forced, instead, they’ve left some of the themes up to the viewer to decide.
      So what? This simply means I get to continue to think about and enjoy the BSG universe. Some mysteries are better left mysterious.

  11. Sheri says:

    The blogger raises good questions. However, the fact that “God did it” is not disappointing or surprising at all, in my opinion. God and the metaphysical were a big part of this show from the very beginning in many aspects… from individual dialog to major plot points, to tons of religious metaphor, to entire characters (i.e. “Angel” Six), to entire characters’ storylines (i.e. Baltar’s transformation from atheist to spiritual leader). In fact, the very first line of dialogue in the series (S1E1 “33″) is, “God has a plan for you Gaius. He has a plan for everything and everyone.” I can even see parallels between Starbuck’s “resurrection” and “ascension” in the finale as a metaphor for the story of Jesus Christ. (There are other Starbuck/Jesus parallels, i.e. being a “savior” of humanity, the “resurrection” proving for Baltar that “death isn’t the end”, etc.)

    My point is… The show always mirrored the real world, and humanity’s belief in the metaphysical / religion are a big part of our real world, so it was always a big part of the show, so it makes sense that it would be a big part of the finale, too. If you choose to ignore it throughout the series because it doesn’t fit with your belief system (or maybe because Gaius didn’t believe it for a long time and we saw it through his eyes), or if you just didn’t expect it because it’s a science fiction show… then sure, you would probably be disappointed with a metaphysical explanation for the finale. But if you paid attention, it was always there in a big way. So it made perfect sense to me.

    • Andrew says:

      Thank you very much for the comment. I think you’re right to point out that the “God did it” ending should not necessarily be a surprising one, but I do think it’s disappointing. Clearly, there were some supernatural events going on, but I don’t think the audience expected such a direct and particular divine hand directing the proceedings. You’re perfectly correct to note that the show attempted to mirror the real world and that religious beliefs are a big part of that, but by that same token, I question whether the show accurately reflects that with this ending. I think Futurama got it best with its god character’s statement that, “You have to use a light touch. If you’ve done it right, people won’t realize you’ve done anything at all.” In that vein, I think the bulk of the show ably reflected some divine fingerprints, but never such a strong, forceful, guiding hand from above. As I mentioned at the end of the article, making the outcome of the central quest of the show a divinely-mandated inevitability robs the quest and the characters pursuing it of any agency in the matter. A god playing such an active role in the end didn’t leave enough room for the human and cylon characters we’d watched for four seasons or the meaningful choices they’d made along the way. I do think it’s a departure from the role of the supernatural that we had seen in the show previously, but even if the signs were there, it does make for a less satisfying ending.

      Thank you again for the thoughtful comment.

      • Sheri says:

        Hello Andrew, I’m so happy you responded! I understand where you’re coming from and I appreciate your reasoning. Many of my fellow BSG fans agree with you 100%. Personally, I didn’t perceive the supernatural outcome as a divinely-mandated inevitability that robbed the characters of any agency. I look at it from a different perspective. I look at the series as a whole, and I perceive the supernatural outcome to be the result of all the meaningful choices and actions of both human and cylon throughout the series. So, instead of an absence of agency, I see a result of agency.

        One of the recurring philosophical themes of the show was destiny/fate vs. free will; and the show seemed to echo the popular idea that destiny and free will could coexist; where “God” provided a path (and “messengers” and “signs” to nudge the characters down the path), but ultimately each character was solely responsible for making the choice(s) to walk that path or not. The flashbacks in the finale further illustrated this concept. In addition to all the choices the characters made during the series, the flashbacks showed us the first significant choices each character made, which put them firmly on their “path of destiny” (Adama chose to stay Commander of Galactica instead of taking a cushy civilian desk job, Roslin chose to participate in Adar’s campaign instead of wallowing in despair over the death of her family, Baltar chose to give Six access to the defense mainframe, etc.) Now… whether or not they would have arrived at the same destiny if they had made different choices is something for the philosophers to argue about. But my point is… that’s the way I interpreted the supernatural explanations in the finale, as the result of cumulative agency instead of the absence of it. So I didn’t feel that the audience or the characters were “robbed” in any way. I felt we were rewarded. Additionally, I thought the flashbacks provided a bittersweet sense of completeness to each character’s story… showing us how their journeys began while at the same time showing us how they end.

        And in general, I liked that the writers didn’t spell things out for us (like telling us exactly what Starbuck was, what happened to characters after they settled on Earth, or which race shares our heritage with Hera) because that gives us the opportunity to use our imaginations to fill in the blanks, and to create an ending that’s meaningful for us on an individual level. I think if they had tried to spell everything out (especially about Starbuck), they would have disappointed more people than they did by leaving it open-ended. It wasn’t a perfect show by any means and many people think they could have written a better ending, but I for one was very satisfied. Well, again thanks for taking the time to read and reply. I really liked and appreciated your post. It’s fun to consider and discuss this outstanding show. The finale was years ago but I still love this show like it was yesterday! :-)

  12. emyannie says:

    My wife looked at me and said “A parallel universe through that black hole would have made more sense. I know it’s Star Trek cheesy, but it would make so much more sense.” I think she’s really right here.

    There would be no cylons chasing them in an alternate universe because they wouldn’t exist yet solving the problem of “wouldn’t they be chased down and hunted?”

    The double earth question along with the coincidence of human and animal life being compatible would be solved because it’s the same earth, just in a different universe, not some astronomically unlikely copy; and in this universe there hadn’t been a nuclear war yet and this would still hold the cyclical message the writers were getting at.

    It could explain where Starbuck came from – ie, yes she’s dead in the BSG universe, but not in the universe through the black hole, where she’s found the new earth.

    You could also, therefore, leave the debate of polytheism vs. monotheism open, which is what drove so much of the controversy in the show, instead of just saying “it was all part of the plan.”

    We also discussed this scenario – Baltar and 6 Caprica had a larger role in saving Hera and getting her on Galactica (instead of just carrying her down the hall. So much build up for so much pointlessness); when the Galactica jumps through the black hole, it is the only ship that makes it through, leaving the rest of the fleet behind. Therefore, only a handful of people survive. When they find earth, Hera would therefore really be a key in repopulating the earth as the mitochondrial eve, not just a half cylon hybrid in a world inhabited by 30,000 or more humans plus the natives.

    Really, really disappointed with the writing. The finale needed to be 2 hours long and needed to give us some answers. Fans don’t want to debate and question what happens and try to “figure it out for ourselves” or try to draw our own conclusions – we want to know.

    • Andrew says:

      That’s a really interesting way to resolve the show and I like it a lot. I’m also a big Star Trek fan, so I suppose I can tolerate that kind of cheesiness, heh. It would resolve a number of those plotholes I brought up in the article, and would, I think, make for a more satisfying ending. Really, anything where they’re not millions of years in humanity’s past would be an improvement. Still, I like your wife’s idea a great deal.

      I too was very very disappointed with the ending. Honestly, I’m very conflicted about whether to recommend the show to others. On the one hand, the first two seasons in particular are really really good, and even though the show is spottier through its last couple of seasons, it’s still quality television. But the way the show closed things out just left such a bitter taste in my mouth that it casts a shadow over the rest of the series. It’s hard to tell someone to watch BSG when you know you’re aiming them toward such an unsatisfying disappointment.

    • li says:

      I watched the previous series a few years ago and just finished the final series over the last week … and the finale last night. Maybe I dozed off during some of my late night viewing sessions but I need some ‘closure’ if anyone is kind enough:

      (1) Why is Gaius so knowledgeable about God that he knows what God prefers to be called? Did he have an epiphany? Was the God-being ever packaged up in an understandable way?

      (2) Pursuing isolation on New Earth in general. Natural response to being cooped up in ships? I was confused that Adama would run off to build Laura’s dream cabin, knowing she was so close to death … it doesn’t ring true for anyone to isolate themselves so thoroughly in a new world, though Adama did have hobbies that were hallmarks of introversion, model-building & books. But isolation for Hera & mom/dad? Wouldn’t people pursue being in a community if only for safety & hunting co-operation/efficiency? Immediate survival would logically take precedence over splitting up to avoid concentration/city & tech building, wouldn’t it? I guess geographic division of the remaining colonials makes sense, diversification of location protects against local risks…in a progenitor master-mind way of thinking. But like Andrew says, this is a real 360 esp. for the civilians. Requires a suspension of belief. Then again, New Caprica serves as the model for why they wouldn’t want to concentrate.
      I can find a reason for most plotholes if I think long enough, but the one that bugs me the most is:

      (3) why was Hera such a big deal? Was everyone being manipulated just so god could get his, her, its wish of a new cylon human hybrid? Then why not kill off everyone and keep the gene pool really clean (with the exception of a necessary aboriginal hunter gatherer to start the ball rolling? If indeed, or, never mind). Would not all those other humans pro-create and populate the planet, diluting the cylon gene? Was it because, as a cylon/human hybrid, she was the biggest hope of protection against cylon attack? Since cylon on cylon war-fare was a big part of the last episode we see that’s not a reason, but let’s suspend that for a moment and consider this: if the existence of Hera was new earth’s protection from cylons, what about the threat from some other issue of Cavil who wants very much to probe her DNA? Wouldn’t this provoke a new round of genocide? Presumably they are so well disguised by having sent the fleet with its trackable-tech into the sun, that this buys them time to multiply. An interesting leap is to consider the Cylons & Cavil DO find new earth a few millennia in and this is an explanation for alien abduction/experimentation that we read of in the National Enquirer.

      Fantastic show. I need something else to dive into now ;) Any recommendations?

      • brad says:

        I think Hera was so important for a number of reasons. To Cavils Cylons she represented a new way to survive once resurrection technology was lost. For their continued existence the Cylons needed resurrection or death was permanent. This is why he was so eager to call the temporary armistice when Sol offered to give them resurrection again. Before that the idea of simple procreation was the only hope for continued survival. Cavil wanted to use Hera as a lab rat to learn how.

        For the Cylons working with humanity Hera represented hope. Hera was the only child of a human and cylon that was not one of the final five. With the miscarriage of Caprica six’s child and the reveal that the child that Tyrol was raising was not his but hotdogs, she was the only child of any cylon. She represented the hope that humans and cylons could procreate and tie the two civilizations together. She was hope of unity between the two races and hope of the continued existence of cylons

    • li says:

      What emyanne said

    • Sti says:

      Just stumbled upon this after watching the show for the first time.
      This would make no sense at all. Scientifically. There is no way to justify alternate universes through black holes, I’d hope? I think you are thinking of worm holes. Black holes aren’t ‘holes’, they are singularities, a single point of enormous mass which has a gravitational field strong enough to bend its light back to itself. I have never watched Star Trek, but if they go to alternate universes ‘through’ black holes, I say ‘yuck’.

      They could however have changed it to a worm hole rather than a black hole, and come up with something like ‘when you jump a ship through a wormhole, unpredictable stuff happens.” (So the cylons couldn’t simply follow them).

      General other stuff:
      I hated the lack of closure on Kara and Chief. I guess I just watched the default ending though.
      One of my biggest questions is; how did the rest of the fleet find the new Earth? Did I miss something?
      Oh, and for #7, also the pigeon seen in Lee’s memories.

      • brad says:

        to answer the question of how the rest of the fleet found new earth, it was only the Galatica itself that was unfit for jumping. they still had functional raptors as seen by Admiral Adama flying away with Rosalin. It would have been a simple thing for a raptor to jump to the rendezvous point and relay coordinates to the fleet to meet Galatica

    • Very well said. Two hours in length and utilizing the same thoughtful approaches reflected by the thematic complexities present in the past four seasons was indeed called for. It looks pretty sloppy and thrown together. The writers said they debated many possible outcomes before arriving at this weak porridge they poured for us. People who have an emotional fondness for Christian iconography and concepts may find this satisfying, but for the wrong reasons. The writers departed from their convictions and the result was a finale that lacked cohesion with the story line. Pat is the adjective that comes to mind.

  13. DRush76 says:

    ["The “reimagined” version of Battlestar Galactica is easily the best Science Fiction show of the past decade."]

    I don’t think so.

    • Andrew says:

      Unless you suggest “Futurama” I’m pretty skeptical as to an alternative.

      • George Davies says:

        Indeed, I can’t think of a rival other than maybe Firefly?

        • Well, that tears it, I’m off to watch Firefly!

          • Jacob says:

            WAIT!!! Firefly is great… but… if you’ve never watched it… well, crap. You MUST watch it… but, I’m so sorry to have you join the rest of us… (You will understand later and you will always wonder “would I have ever watched Firefly if I’d been warned first, about..?”)

          • Andrew says:

            In the years since I’ve made this post, I’ve seen Firefly. I’m a big fan, but I think it’s hard to compare 13 episodes and a movie to the seasons and larger arcs of BSG. Firefly could have given BSG a run for its money had it been allowed to go on, but I think BSG still holds the imaginary title belt, awful ending or no.

  14. Flufflebuns says:

    Reading this, and the subsequent comments was so very cathartic after the supreme disappointment of watching the last few episodes of an otherwise amazing series. You worded so eloquently the very same frustrations I had with the show, and it eased the nagging pit of annoyance in my stomach.

    Looking back it was a great experience overall, but quite significantly tainted by the cop-out ‘deux ex machina’ ending.

    At least it wasn’t like LOST, which started great, then dragged on for four long, shitty seasons, to end in an even worse way. BSG at least had the decency to only smear the last few episodes with spiritual, fate-based bullshit.

    • Andrew says:

      Thanks for the thoughtful response. In retrospect, the ending was a real kick to the gut at the end of something wonderful. In fact, I’ve been contemplating writing another blog post as a “one year later” type of deal where I discuss my reticence to recommend the show to people. That’s the kicker – it can be so so awesome at times, but it builds and builds and builds and the payoff is almost wholly unsatisfying. I know it’s not the destination, rather the journey, but as awesome as the journey was, the poor destination casts a shadow on the rest of the series.

      The biggest kick to the gut is that for four seasons the audience was told every episode that “they have a plan” and they absolutely didn’t. It almost makes rewatching the previous episodes frustrating rather than rewarding because it’s not like the writers knew much more than you did when you watched the episode for the first time.

      I haven’t watched Lost, but my friends who did/do have similar complaints, so I can understand how it would be an equally frustrating show. Maybe it’s difficult to satisfactorily end any show that centers around a few big mysteries.

      • li says:

        Exactly. What was this plan for crying out loud? God wanted a new “creature”, a cylon/human hybrid is all I can distill. Though Caprica 6 said that mathematically the same cycle of “humans building cylons that evolve and destroy the humans” will only repeat so often until enough changes that the cycle does not repeat. So maybe that’s the plan. They needed an epilogue like in those old 60′s sci-fi series such as Twilight Zone to spell it out and provide closure.

  15. lore says:

    i 4get where i saw this, there was a show from the cylon point of view. They did have a plan at the beginning. Then gradually the plan started to fall apart.

    • Andrew says:

      Hi Lore, I believe you’re thinking of “The Plan.” The problem with that movie is that it came out after the end of BSG, and so it’s all retconning and trying to make things work in hindsight. My big beef is that Ronald D. Moore and the other writers didn’t know what the Cylon’s plan was, and so all the reveals and twists and such were just made up on the fly. They led you to believe there were good solid reasons for everything happening and instead they were just spitballing their way to the end, where they had to invoke the supernatural to handwave all the discrepancies, and even that fell short.

      • I am writing and directing my own television series and I promise that no matter what level of complexity we write into the show, all the sticky points will be worked out beforehand. There’s just no excuse.

  16. misternish says:

    I found this article on Reddit! Glad you posted this, these are all my problems with the show as well. I just started it this year on Netflix and went through it voraciously. I loved how in the very beginning they tied the story of the show to our own history, instead of it being some escapist story of aliens and lasers and what not. So I was eagerly anticipating how they would ultimately bring Earth into the show. Would they arrive at Earth before our time? In the present day? I initially thought that humans on Earth would have destroyed themselves, through nuclear war or through running out of natural resources, and the Colonials would find Earth in the distant future and give humanity a second chance on Earth. When they showed that they had found our ancient ancestors, it was both exciting and confusing, because it instantly brought up the question, “How can this realistically be tied into our own history?” Apollo’s desire to abandon technology makes sense…the underlying notion that for all of our intellect and our advancements, we have lost something of what it means to be human resonated with me. BUT, the notion that they would give up EVERY piece of technology was hard to fathom. Guns, weapons, etc. yes. But what about all the things that improved the quality of their lives? Medicine? Means to build shelter and provide food for everyone? Writing?? I can’t believe they would want to discard every piece of culture that had survived with them, and not keep an account of this epic four year journey they had taken across the freaking galaxy as the last remaining survivors of the formerly 20 billion strong Colonies. That was my first major gripe. Second was how quickly they ended the stories of the most important characters. Kara just disappearing with no real explanation of what she was, Tyrol getting nothing in the aired version, Tigh and Ellen just wandering off. What bugged me a lot was also how suddenly Adama and Roslin left, and the relationship Adama had with his son and Kara was just wrapped up with a quick hug and they never saw each other again. I’ve read an interview with Eddie Olmos saying that there is a script for after they find Earth, and it starts with Tigh showing up at Adama’s cabin saying “We’ve got a problem”. How that is even possible when they got rid of their Raptors I don’t know, but point is I have a hard time imagining that everyone would want to just go off and live by themselves in this new world, after having forged such strong bonds over the experience they had had. Lastly, I wish they had just ended it with the show still being 150,000 years before our time. The scene in New York was disappointing. Head Baltar making that vague comment about God not liking to be called God was just confusing, Ron Moore being in the show was kind of tacky, and it was just overtly trying to make a statement. One of the many things I liked about BSG was how it explored relevant issues to our time, but didn’t really take a stance on them. It very intelligently explored the complexities of things like democratic governance, torture, religion etc. But the end, with all the stupid shows of the ASIMO robot and what not was too much. It was just like one big political statement and it cheapened the show.

    However, the main IDEA of the ending I loved. The idea that these humans integrated into the early humans on Earth and became part of our history, and how things have been passed down, i.e the kinds of technologies we’ve created, words like ‘frak’ being similar to ‘fuck’, ‘All Along the Watchtower’ becoming a Bob Dylan song, (I read an article quoting Ron Moore saying that the idea behind that was that music lived in all of us, and when we created music we would snatch pieces of it from the collective conscious but never really know where they came from), the Sanskrit used in their prayers and the opening song becoming part of our world. All of that was brilliant writing I think. The overall ending to this epic tale was great, but the individual character story arcs didn’t end in a satisfying way and they could have done a much better job explaining why humans would have given up their technology. It also makes me kind of hesitant to recommend the show, because the rest of the show was AMAZING and I loved watching it, but the ending is hard not to be disappointed in, especially considering that everything in the show was pointing towards the fleet finding Earth.

    • li says:

      Many excellent thoughts here! I had many of the same reasons for “indigestion” … Gaius’s knowing what God liked to be called, the acceptance of isolation of the group … and I too loved the things you did, the integration of colonials (or Hera as it seems to be suggested) into earths aboriginal hunter/gather society … fascinating about the Sanskrit in this show, it is considered a root language. Music being part of us all. Is there a movie coming out that starts as you say, with Tigh arriving at Adamos cabin?

  17. brudy says:

    Having just watched the series from end to end on blu-ray, I’ve been struggling with the end for a few days. All of my major issues are yours, although I’m mostly put out by Starbuck’s ending (who deserved more given the size of her character), the agreement of the people to abandon technology and scatter (I get the idea behind throwing everything into the sun, I just don’t think they’d all agree to it), and Hera as the mitochondrial eve (and what happened to the rest of them). This is closely followed by all the plan (or lack of one)/deus ex machina/head Six and Baltar stuff. It seems like an easy way out for the writers and there are plenty of better ideas for endings in the comments here.

    Yet I somehow still liked it. The finale was spectacular up until the last 20 minutes (of the extended version). The very end reminds me of the end of LoTR – it’s more like a postscript or afterward than part of the plot. I was warm and fuzzy, at least for a few hours until the questions started to nag at me. I don’t feel entirely betrayed by Moore or the show, or even let down. But I keep coming back to Starbuck’s ending, and that’s the toughest part for me. She just deserved more, her pain, her struggles, her issues, her relationship with Lee, her pivotal role in the show – all just blinked out of existence. It was just too cheap, too easy. Would it have killed them to just have her and Lee go off and climb some mountains together? I could live with that, even like that. But to just wink her away feels like lazy storytelling.

    But all in all, I loved the series, and would recommend it. I hadn’t watched it till now because friends hated the ending so much, and I’m sorry I waited so long. It’s an amazing series. Perhaps my experience and perspective is different having watched the entire show across 3 weeks time, but I’m mostly ok with the ending.

    • Andrew says:

      Thanks for the comment, brody. I too watched the show over a pretty abbreviated timespan, but I had a much more palpable sense of disappointment at the finale than you did. I am as game for happy endings and warm fuzzies as anyone (alright, that may be an exaggeration), but I think they’re hollowed when they do not feel earned. My problem with the finale is that the writers seemed to have a firm emotional destination in mind (the aforementioned warm fuzzies), but did not really know how to get there and so gave us a series of convenient contrivances in the process. It makes those quiet moments of triumph that are supposed to be so heartwarming feel cheap.

      I am, however, with you 100% on Starbuck’s disappearance. If any character’s arc suffered the most from the use of the supernatural as a writing crutch, it was hers. As you pointed out, it was a pretty damned unfulfilling conclusion for one of, if not the, best characters on the show.

      Thanks again for your thoughts. I’m going to try to write a follow up article soon about whether or not I would recommend the show, and I’d love to hear your thoughts then.

  18. matt says:

    Re: sending their tech into the sun
    They did skip the conversation that would have resulted when Lee recommended this, which was perhaps a final opportunity to exhibit some interesting BSG political intrigue. I think the decision makes sense, I just wish they would have let me see their gears grind on it a bit (one last time). But of course, the quorum is dead, the president is checking out, the admiral is exhausted… intrigue requires energy.

    The condition of Galactica herself was the clearest reminder that their high-tech capital was irreplaceable after the destruction of the colonies. They would never have the chance to drydock Galactica or any of the other ships, even on their final destination planet. Simply bringing her into the atmosphere would have destroyed her by then, and the other ships in the fleet had the same four years of wear and tear.

    Even on a micro-level, their makeshift industrial complex had a limited lifespan. We saw this on their refinery ship and with the impetus for Tyrol to build Blackbird, but it could have been emphasized more late in the series. If they brought all their high-tech goods with them, the goodies would only last for a few years. More durable stuff might make it a generation or more. But, in the long run, they were going to have to leave their old way of life behind and rebuild. There is little sense in limping along with technology that you cannot maintain.

    The whole drama of the Cylons should remind us that technological society is fragile and fraught with difficulty. It seems like it is a solution to life’s problems, but it often creates as many new problems as it may solve. Perhaps this message is lost to a sci-fi audience, but it was there all along.

    • Andrew says:

      Hi Matt,

      Again, I just don’t buy the lack of dissension. One episode the fleet is demanding to strip the Battlestar for parts, and then the next they’re willing to abandon it all to live as hunter-gatherers? It’s too much of a shortcut. As for the durability of their technology, they managed to get by on New Caprica for a year and did pretty well considering. And even if there was an inherent time limit on how long their tech would last, doesn’t it make sense to have it around for a transition to a foreign, if edenic, new planet?

      But here’s the bigger problem — I can accept the validity of the message that technology can create as many problems as it solves, and I can also accept that it’s a message the show’s creators may have intended. The problem is that the series and the character didn’t validly build up to that point. It was a quick fix to allow things to end up where the show’s creators wanted it to, regardless of whether it made sense in the context of the show as a whole or felt earned.

      • Matt says:

        Ah, now that I re-read your post rather than get stuck in the comments, I see that we are not far apart. The questions are unanswered, yes. One could say that the final movements of the series could make sense, but there are missing pieces of the narrative that would make it more clear. I would have loved to hear Lee make the case, tying the whole narrative together. But they had to make time previously for the big booms at the Colony. Too bad.

        • li says:

          Absolutely … missing parts of the narrative would clear up much. As I wrote down my own thoughts I realized I arrived at answers to all except the Hera / mitochondrial Eve thing. What about the rest of the humans, dilution of the cylon gene. Why not manufacture an ending that has just Hera, her parents & the planets aboriginals ensconced on new earth, if God’s plan was indeed to have a new “race” of cylon/humans why dilute the gene pool with additional colonial humans? And why did god want a human/cylon race? Superior cylon mind in a breedable body? See this is what happens when I start thinking… I think I just arrived at the reason ;)

  19. Matt says:

    One further thought, about Kara… While more information would be nice (especially about her ghost dad), I find it to be a suitable mystery. Here is why:

    For me, a good bit of the dramatic tension stemmed from the fact that after Kobol, we just did not know whether we could trust in any divine revelation or prophecy or anything else religious. Religion had been de-mythologized, and the Cylons were a step ahead (it seemed). They had a plan, humans had religion (prophecies, priests, oracles, etc.) By the time we got to Earth (the nuked one), we KNEW all the religious visions and prophecies were a shell game possibly run by the Cylons themselves. Whatever the opera house vision was, it was going to stink for humanity.

    But a funny thing happened, that really had been happening all along. Kara was not a Cylon, the visions Caprica and Gaius had of themselves were not a trap, and some tempered notion of divine providence re-asserted itself. Humans (and Cylons) were being guided not by the Lords of Kobol (or even the Cylon God), but by some other deity (who evidently does not like to be called God, according to angelic Baltar).

    Baltar’s speech in the CIC here is key, because it frames the final movements of the theological vision nicely. Religion had been de-mythologized only to be re-mythologized. The whole series reveals itself as a creation epic focused on Hera. I just knew that she was a Cylon plot all along, then I was afraid she would be the tool Cavil would use do something dastardly. Then I realized that the Cylon plan was being supplanted, too, so that something bigger could occur. (Us)

    Referencing our conversation above, I am not saying Kara’s ending is well done. But I am saying that their reticence to reveal more detail fits with their reticence to talk about this divine providence directly. They did this because their divine providence works itself out in/through/under human freedom (hence the flashbacks interspersed throughout Daybreak). Kara’s story is a story of her willful choices (not constrained even by Leoben’s perception of her destiny), and her final choice to vanish because her work had been done was very poetic if also a little rushed.

    • Andrew says:

      I suppose there’s a fine line between subtlety and ambiguity. From something of a mechanical point, I can accept the show’s creators not telling us what Starbuck is, but at the same time, they shouldn’t have made it one of the season’s, and for that matter the show’s, big mysteries, and telegraphed the question so much if they had no intention of answering it.

      Plus, they totally talked about divine providence directly at the end! Head Gaius and Head Six were genuine angels! When it turns out the sum total of the entire show was “some divine being was pulling the strings the whole time” I feel like it’s a little tough to try to back water and shy away from giving more details about Kara for fear of demystifying that divine providence.

      • Matt says:

        Thanks for the dialogue with me! I did not really expect it after I necro’d such an old post. I look forward to your “one year later” retrospective, if you still intend to do it. I just finished the series about a week ago, so it is still fresh on my mind. I wonder how it will age for me…

        • Andrew says:

          It’s my pleasure! Thanks for commenting. It’s always fun to chat about BSG. I should definitely go ahead and write the “one year later” post. I hope it ages well for you, and the inconsistencies don’t sour you a bit like they did for me.

  20. Dave says:

    I just finished watching Battlestar Gallactica series and I wasn’t a big fan of the series and the finale. I agree with all the points here and in regards to the technology how is it that Admiral Adama was able to take Laura Roslin in the jet to the place he wanted to build a cabin for her. I just rewatched the episode and they destroyed all the technology in the middle of the episode so it seems as if he has the only remaining technology based in the order i’m watching the episode. Another thing i find it hard to believe that 150,000 years later that there weren’t better or more sophisticated historical recorded of these human being. These were highly educated people that knew how to read and write, so I assume they would keep better records of themselves than the homosapiens.

    • Andrew says:

      I had not considered the record keeping thing, but it’s a great point. Again, the biggest problem is all these practical loose ends that come up when you try to make the show fit into all of human history. A lazy, unfortunate end to an otherwise great show. Thanks for the comment!

  21. ghostbeagle says:

    Just finished BSG and loved it. Am probably on my own here, but thought the ending was great.

    For me, the only real flaw is that the colonists’ sacrifice, and it is a BIG sacrifice, has got almost no chance of achieving its goal! If I understand things correctly, they give up all of their technology, and their society, to break the cycle of creating artificial life, treating it badly and then having that artificial life hell bent on vengeance and the destruction of mankind. The problem is that in giving up their society, and hence any record keeping, 150,000 years later no-one has the opportunity to remember the past, read or be informed about what happened, and learn from it. The trials and tribulations of the BSG crew have, in effect, been lost to history. As a result, I’m guessing that chances are, in the years to come, and when the technology is there, humanity will create a fresh batch of cylons hell bent on destruction!

    • Andrew says:

      I’m glad it worked for you. It’s true that the lack of record keeping prevents anyone from learning from their mistakes in the future. But hey, if Bob Dylan can write “All Along the Watchtower” millennia later because it’s “imprinted on the universe” then maybe the history of BSG can be imprinted on Ronald Moore’s brain prompting him to make a television show to share it with the masses! Again, probably giving the gods of BSG too much credit.

  22. Dan says:

    I just finished up with the series and I have to say that on the whole, it worked for me.

    I like that they left things with Kara unresolved. It was like the end of inception, I liked that they left you wondering. I do believe we are supposed to view her as an angelic figure with strong parallels to Jesus.

    I think the biggest flaw with the ending was how they tried to incorporate it into modern day earth. They could have done something along those lines but had it be an alternate universe earth. There was too much that they had to cram into that particular keyhole for it to work out properly.

    As for the record keeping idea you run into one problem. As the limited technology they kept with them decays, it will be centuries before they can replicate it. For example, they can write their history on paper, but it will be 10,000+ years before they can recreate paper.

    • Andrew says:

      Glad to hear that it worked for you. I always have some frustration with an ambiguous ending. I think in Inception it worked because the point was that the answer didn’t matter to the protagonist anymore. It tied into a larger point. But with Kara, all they did was tease and twist a mystery and give us no real resolution to it beyond the “divine power working in mysterious ways” explanation that put a damper on the rest of the finale.

      I certainly agree that trying to connect the world of BSG as a precursor to our own is one of the biggest problems with the finale. There were too many gaps in logic and contrivances necessary to get there. Still, even if the colonists weren’t making paper (something which I doubt they were incapable of), they could have carved things into stone or at the very least perpetuated their society to where it didn’t merely fade away unknown. Again, too great of a logical gap.

  23. Keith Mason says:

    I’ve suspected that the last jump went wrong and the Galactica was thrown many many years back in time. Kara was a being capable of existing outside of time. Earth and Caprica are one in the same. The crew of Galactica are caught in a continuous time loop. They are the first and the last. They prove that humanity will never learn and are condemned to spend eternity replaying their mistakes. Mankind plays God and brings about it’s own demise only to reset and repeat. This would account for the “imprinting and prophecies.” Just my thoughts. Let me know what you think.

    • Andrew says:

      It’s an interesting theory. Going back in time would at least avoid the problem of the remaining Cylons finding them. It definitely fits with the “this has all happened before, and it will all happen again” thing. The problem with Earth being Caprica though is that presumably the crew would know based on star charts and whatnot roughly where they were in the universe, or at least that they weren’t in their home system. It also still doesn’t give us much info on Kara or why she had visions or could disappear or how all the history of BSG is totally unknown at the present time.

      I do think it fits thematically. I think there are honestly just too many plotholes with the ending to have any theory, even one as creative as yours, make everything work.

      • Keith Mason says:

        I understand where you are coming from but if they went that far back in time by accident and did not realize it would they have thought to check the star charts based on the time differential. After they had decided to abandon technology the point would be mute.

        If Kara existed outside of time, perhaps she was a kind of harbinger who had seen the course of events from beginning to end, but could not directly interfere. She could have retained some of the information in her mortal incarnations to help events along the way. If one body was destroyed, she would return until the point of reset had been reached.

        It could have been a conscious decision by the colonists to destroy their history and cease record keeping in an effort to keep the Cylons from discovering them. They had already destroyed their technology. If you were being hunted to extinction, wouldn’t you go to extreme measures to protect your race?

        Just a thought.

        • Andrew says:

          It seems unlikely that no one would try to figure out where they were, especially if they were planning to say there. And Kara did directly interfere. If punching in the coordinates doesn’t count as active involvement, then I’m not sure what does. And as for the records, if they’ve found New Earth, they’ve found the humans, records or no. Doesn’t seem to provide much of an advantage one way or another.

          I think occam’s razor can be overstated, but the germ of the idea applies here in a way. The more explanations we have to make for the ending, the more ways we have to strain and stretch what we’ve seen to fit it in any sort of coherent frameworks, suggests that it wasn’t fully thought-through, or at the very least, that it does not really make sense. Again, I like the theory thematically, but at the end of the day, the ending is too full of contrivances and nonsensical decisions to really be justified.

      • This is, as a writer, why you have to have a deep understanding of your ending and write backwards from that. We wouldn’t accept this kind of sloppiness in a novel and we need to insist it stop happening in television series. The possible scenario you laid out is excellent – except that you can’t shoehorn the series as-is to make it fit your vision. If the writers had understood their task as writers from the very beginning, than much of what was unintentionally ambiguous would have been resolved in a satisfying, logical and dramatically exciting way. What they did instead is what amateurs do. There’s no excuse.

        • Kyle W. says:

          Leslie, you are 100% correct. This is the single biggest flaw with not only television, but all writing. If you, as an author, do not know how you’re going to end something, then go back & re-write until you do. Many people like to use the mantra- “It’s the Journey, not the destination.” To which I would reply- “Oh yes. It’s great when you take a vacation, have the time of your life, then your plane crashes in a fiery cataclysm on the way back.” Destination *Matters*.

          Ironically, I came across an article a few days ago where Ron Moore complained how now studios are demanding completed stories for new show submissions, as if this were a bad thing. Sadly I couldn’t find the article again to repost here. But Studios should have realized this decades ago. With the money they spend on producing shows the last thing they should have wanted was a writing team stumbling around because they were making things up as they went along.

          • Biff says:

            Agree with both of you. Five years on and the last season/finale of this great show still annoys the heck out of me. It’s only my opinion of course, and many people like the finale, but I loathe it for the reasons Brad Templeton outlined so eloquently. What’s most egregious is that unlike so many shows this one actually had an ending built in. They were always going to reach Earth, or a version of it, just as the original did and yet Ron Moore still managed to bugger up the journey to get there. Really, the mechanics of how the story should unfold should have been front and centre in his planning from day one.

            As an Australian, I’ve noticed clear differences between the approach of US television and British. American networks have hitherto been more concerned with 20+ episode seasons and flogging a show for as long as they can. The Brits and Euros are more concerned with shorter seasons and ending something sooner rather than later, which better supports consistent storytelling and a defined endpoint. Not the best example, but the original and US versions of The Office illustrate this. BSG suffered when SciFi pushed for more eps per season but this was one show where a defined endpoint should have been agreed early on – tell the story and then end it. Thankfully, US shows like True Detective and Fargo and most of the quality cable dramas are leading the way back towards short seasons and not flogging a show into the ground.

          • Jacob says:

            Oh I would love if that turns out to be the way they do T.V. from now on. The “Lost” Clause. “You have a great idea for a show? Looks like it will attract x and y and you say you’ve got a few years worth of content? Great… now, how does it end?”

            Seriously, if they don’t know how it ends, if it has no ending then why do we continue to give new shows a chance? I typically don’t any more. Too many times there has been the betrayal of shows like Roswell, Heroes, etc. I can’t believe the list of shows that start and are watched by the masses and then just cancelled, but even worse the shows that keep going and then finally are ready for their finale, and it is crap because they never had an ending and they got bored… or started a different show and threw the ending together and moved on with the next big thing.

            I don’t think they’ll ever please everyone but to disappoint everyone so often has just become too painful.

            I used to get told “It is just TV, it is free, they owe you nothing.”

            Um, a lot of us pay for television now a days… in many ways.

            I don’t watch shows anymore unless they make it at least three seasons in. What is the point anymore?

          • Daniel says:

            It seems that TV series these days either get cancelled before they live out their potential or they get ‘finished’ with a decidedly disappointing “conclusion”.

        • James says:

          I very much agree with all that’s been said here. The worst part about the ending is the fact that the producers knew a full year in advance that they were going to end it and they wanted to end it instead of dragging it out. It was definitely a shabby ending but the show was obviously fantastic or we would not still be talking about it in 2014…lol

    • Banol says:

      Great idea. Would have been better the original ending!

    • hUGO says:

      I think is NOT Caprica where they arrived, but Kobol. That would make more sense, since for humans to evolved to a certain hight, certain weight, etc, they would have to evolve in a planet with the same gravity (mass). So is easier to they travel back in time to Kobol (birth place of humanity) than Caprica (which is smaller planet) and we are waiting for the creation of the first cylons to wage war on us, then the 13 colonies would leave here to create the 12 colonies and earth (nuclear wasteland earth).

    • jetsly says:

      Not possible. After Galactica’s last jump, they sent a Raptor to rendezvous with the fleet and bring it home.

  24. Torvaris Williams says:

    I just got done watching series,and I think season 4 was my least favorite.It had alot of unnecessary shit going on like,saul getting a 6 pregnant then her losing the baby,I was like what the fuck was that for?? The writing went down hill when season 4 started,and just like the above blog stats,their were alot of things left unexplained.

    I remember after season 3,I was blown away,and I thought this would be one of the best shows,I have ever seen,but I had the ending to get to,and when I did,I was not impressed.

    • Andrew says:

      It’s funny, I actually found myself struggling a bit in Season 3 and getting back aboard in Season 4. Granted, I was watching the show basically nonstop so the season distinctions mattered less, but I got a little tired of both the extended metaphor of New Caprica and the grand, stilted, speeches of the Baltar trial. Getting back on the ship and back to the business of running from the Cylons and searching for Earth was right in my wheelhouse.

      In retrospect though, there was a lot in Season 4 that was kind of a waste or didn’t really go anywhere. Six’s baby is a great example. I did really enjoy finding the scorched Earth and the mutiny episodes. In fact, I think the mutiny may have been BSG’s last great hurrah. But you’re right, the ending took a lot of the air out of not only Season 4, but the whole series. Very frustrating.

      Thanks for writing!

      • CVJ says:

        Six’s baby was for showing that the Cylons without Resurrection technology can only survive as a race if they procreate with humans.

  25. Trent says:

    I concur with almost all of you. I was so enthralled with everything, including the ending, but in retrospect, it was pretty lazily written.

    Here is what I think of in the many moments I am pondering the show (and I do have those moments, telling me it was a great show to stay with me all this time; unlike Lost and others.)

    - Kara just saying ‘I am done’ and disappearing was lame. I wanted her to have at least shouted ‘I love Lee Adama!’ before vanishing.
    -I think Bill not just crashing into the (prehistoric) lake was a mistake in writing. That would have been better than him just forgetting the bonds he made with Lee and building a Montana cabin by himself and a Raptor that will eventually be found by archaeologists. But, I like to think he eventually flew to Mt. Everest, ice-climbed with his son, and then they both fly into the sun in the raptor. Why not huh?
    -I am sad to think Hera was probably raped by some caveman only to then after giving birth (still as a child mind you, because the skeleton was pretty small, and not just Japanese Cylon mother small) fell into a cravass and was covered in Saber Tooth Tiger dung forever.
    -what a bad way to end a series, I wish they had ended it right when Kara typed in the code and they appeared at earth. Boom. The end. We could wonder from there if it was 2015 or 0015.

    Thanks for keeping this blog rant going. It is theraputic at least.

    • Andrew says:

      I have often maintained that this blog is essentially a therapy session for disgruntled BSG fans. :-) With respect to your various points:

      - While I totally understand the impulse, I actually stopped rooting for Starbuck and Apollo to get together by the time they both got married. Apollo, frankly, became intermittently annoying to me starting in Season 3. Then, when they started cheating on their spouses, I lost all respect for their romance. Nevertheless, you’re right that it’s another story element they teased and teased forever without a solid payoff.

      - It does seem odd that Adama would essentially abandon all contact his son. Their relationship was one of the very first things the show ever explored. Who knows, maybe you’re right. Maybe they went on to have further, more logically coherent adventures.

      - Thinking too hard about the Hera as Mitochondrial Eve thing makes me cringe. Again, I understand what they were going for, but it’s rife with unfortunate implications all around.

      - While that ending would be better than what we got, I think it would still be unsatisfying. I think the audience was invested in where the Colonials would end up and it was incumbent upon the show’s writers to give some detail. Then again, given what we saw, no answer might have been better than a poorly thought out answer.

      Thanks for commenting!

    • Dan says:

      I completely agree with you Trent! I think that would have been the perfect ending – Kara typing in the coordinates and they arrive at true Earth. Boom. The End. Nice and clean. The audience can extrapolate and fill in the blanks as they see fit. When the writers start filling in too many blanks for us…
      - mitochondrial “Eve” – major cringe
      - Adama just leaving Lee & Starbuck; are you kidding me? The most complicated and significant and strongest relationships in the entire show and he just goes to live up on a mountain, alone?)
      - Roslyn dying – it was fine, but it was already implied she wouldn’t make it much longer, but at least she got to arrive at earth and spend her last days with Adama, so her death was unnecessary
      - the fleet giving up technology – probably the biggest wtf “are you kidding me” moments in the end. Seems very highly unlikely, especially since the fleet seems to disagree on just about everything. And aren’t most of their technologies nearly self-sustaining? Nearly 100% efficient water and air recycling? Can turn algae into food? Limitless supply of tilium fuel that we can harvest from space? Nah, we don’t need that stuff.
      - mating with the cavemen – oh yeah, we can just give them language and farming and whatever, it’ll work out

      …all of this starts to ruin the the pristine mystery of the ‘happily ever after’ conclusion. It doesn’t MATTER what happens to Roselyn or how she dies, we know she’ll spend her last days with Adama. It doesn’t matter if there are cavemen or not, the audience knows it is “our” Earth and that is enough for the audience to know they finally made it. Specifics like these, because they cause inconsistencies and disagreement/disappointment among the audience, should just be avoided. It would have been a lot cleaner.

      I was particularly disappointed with two plot holes:
      1) The lack of explanation of Kara/Starbuck. Such a pivotal character who exists throughout the entire series and ends up dying and being reborn to lead the people to earth should get more of a send-off than just disappearing into the wind. That was kind of weak. Just seemed like a huge cop-out. I was hoping for some kind of tie-in to the Cylons or the final five or SOMEthing. I mean, half the conclusion of the show is supposed to be kind of scientific (the members of the fleet are the primogenitors to the present day human race, okay, I can buy that), but the rest just gets dismissed as being the work of some ‘higher power’? Mmm, for a sci-fi show about war and sentient robots and space travel, it doesn’t seem to fit.

      2) The explanation of “Head” Caprica 6 and Baltar. I think it was kind of weak that they end up being real “angels” (and blatantly announce it to the audience – come on!) and show up in present day New York or whatever city it was. When the actual characters on screen have to start explaining the end of the show to the audience, it just makes me cringe. It’s as if the writers opened up too many plot lines and created too many holes that required explanation, so they just wrapped them all up by calling it divine intervention. I would actually have preferred that the writers didn’t explain this. This was one of the biggest mysteries early on when the audience realizes Baltar is seeing (and feeling) a Caprica 6 that no one else can see. Does he have a Cylon chip in his brain? Is he just crazy or unstable? Heck, an invisible alien would have been easier to accept than angels guiding the destiny of the fleet.

      Severely disappointing conclusion to an otherwise fantastic show.

  26. Trent says:

    It would be great if the creators made a movie that picks up right when Starbucks entered the code. They could admit they sucked it up the first time around and then give us a new ending. But I don’t trust them to do that even if they tried… They would likely have Rosalin take another round of Hera blood and then keep the show going on some money-grab. And why didn’t she just get some Hera blood in her again?

    I wish they had landed on our Earth only to find that it was a greenhouse gas hell hole with one plant left (like we see in Pixar’s WallE) and there could be a sign in English that says, we started worshipping Greek gods again and we and our androids are bugging out of this planet because it is too hot.

    The BSG crew could happily rebuild from there.

    As for our angelic friends, I think they could tell Baltar and Cap6 that god did send them and they are expected to rebuild and take care of their child Hera, who’s mother and father died in the last battle.

    Hera could grow as the first Cylon-Human and show that the two societies could come together and start anew.

    As for Starbuck, she would figure the black hole did something to make her reborn, leave it at that, and then go off to explore with Lee.

    Anyway, BSG was one show where I wanted all the characters to die at some point and when I knew they all died in my past, I was not happy. Strange feeling.

  27. Trent says:

    Oh, and yes, Galen was a cursed man. He was the only one I cared about and they never told us what happened to him in the broadcast version of the show. Good grief!

    And just how did Kara Thrace die on earth if her ship exploded? Perhaps the black hole when you pass through it, you get wormholed to earth and a copy of you is polished and reborn? Maybe she entered the black/wormhole coordinates for BSG to pass through? But does that mean they have a shiny new copy somewhere of them? That would have left a new reboot of the series reboot possible… But aargh, that was shot to hell with Thrace’s disappearing act. I guess bad writing closes as many doors as it opens.

    Such a shame.

    Such bad writing leaves open so many bad interpretations!

  28. Torvaris Williams says:

    A little off topic,but what do you think of the show,caprica? ever watched it,or thought of giving it a watch?

    • Andrew says:

      I haven’t seen it personally. I marathoned BSG, so I needed a bit of a breather anyway, and the finale left something of a sour taste in my mouth. The buzz I’ve heard about it has been mixed, so it hasn’t been at the top of my list, but I will probably watch it eventually.

      • Torvaris Williams says:

        Same thing,I heard mixed comments about it.It was canceled,so that kind of let me know,hey this might not be that great,but who knows,I might give it a go.

        • Craig Potter says:

          I watched about 5 episodes and then stopped due to constraints regarding hard drive space. It’s not amazing but is at least slightly interesting as it gives you a back-story on the creation of the cylons, their monotheistic views and a few nice scenes of the various colonies. All in all there are worst ways to kill time, so give it a go I say.

          • Andrew says:

            The thing is, after the finale I just don’t trust the show anymore. Even “The Plan” was a pretty meh revisit. Maybe someday

        • Andrew says:

          If you do, please let me know what you think!

          • Dave S says:

            When I decided to watch BSG I made a conscious decision to watch Caprica first, more for my wife who knew nothing about the story at all, vs myself who saw the original movie in the theatre. Even knowing Caprica was made after BSG, I thought it would be more interesting for her to watch the story unfold without really knowing where it was going. We both enjoyed Caprica quite a bit, I think it held up well on it’s own. But since I knew where the storyline was going to lead (the eventual destruction of mankind) it made it more interesting to watch as it unfolded.

  29. Gabe says:

    The BSG story is real great but the way they mixed it wasn’t the same. I’m the disappointed one and I’m not sure if I get it well in last episode/film. The whole thing begun all over again? Caprica was kinda Earth? Is ‘The Plan’ a brief of the whole series or just a continuation (150 k years after) There were so many really boring eps in S3 and S4 but I watched them all just to not miss anything. Between, I know there are some very little mini-series with Gaeta showing acting gayish (kissing another man). I just read somewhere about but didn’t watch them. Is Gaeta and Baltar’s whispered secret revealed in these epds? (or what is the secret anyway)

    I was never a tv series fan just becouse they are generally made for people that eats everything that flies. What made me look till the end was for the mystery and the very addicted two mini-series (I thought it was a mini-series not a series). Now I’m planing to watch Star Trek series.

    • Torvaris Williams says:

      I’m right behind ya,I might start watching,next generation,after I finish watching the 3rd season of boardwalk empire.

    • Andrew says:

      I’ve seen the Gaeta mini-sodes. It involves him being lost on a viper with an Eight who had helped him on New Caprica and her actions toward him are a significant part of what makes him start the mutiny. I’d recommend tracking it down online as it adds a fair bit of color to his motivations, though I don’t remember specifically what it involves regarding him and Baltar.

  30. Steve says:

    Kara Thrace is “one of [BSG's] most beloved personalities”?
    I found her to be one of its most irritating personalities, and a serious defect in the largely excellent cast and show.

    • Andrew says:

      Different strokes for different folks. My understanding is that she’s popular among the fans of the show, but there’s no accounting for taste. I thought she was an interesting, flawed, character and those qualities made her stand out even when she did things the audience didn’t agree with.

  31. Craig Potter says:

    Firstly I want to say thanks Andrew for your post, I enjoyed reading your take on the series and some of the niggling issues you had after watching it. I agree with you on some questions you have raised having pondered them myself and there were also a few questions that I hadn’t even considered so I appreciate you bringing them to my attention. BTW I too had a BSG binge and pretty much finished the whole series in a week. (I know that’s 10 hours a day but I had nothing else better to do and was mildly hooked)

    1.
    Regarding the giving up of the technology I agree that it is a bit far-fetched that everyone would have been happy to do so, but after tech being the reason they ended up nearly wiped out they may not have had the same view of their comforts as when they started out. Additionally after that many months living in tin cans I reckon most would have been happy just to sunbathe for the rest of their lives even if it meant a lot of hard labour in between.

    2.
    In my opinion Kara Thrace (after coming back from the dead) was sent back as a messenger of God/Tour Guide/Musician. I agree that it was a pretty rubbish ending for her though. (I suppose she fulfilled her destiny so all that heartache and turmoil had a purpose)

    3.
    Question 3 never even crossed my mind and I feel a bit of an idiot it didn’t because we are left to assume that the cylons decided for someone reason to pool all their resources to the colony. (Maybe the other basestars have been trying to call the colony but have been getting an engaged tone?)

    4.
    Regarding Hera I assumed that at one point she or one of her descendants did procreate with the indigenous population. I don’t really see this as a problem as such due to the fact that I think Homo Sapiens at this time weren’t much different from us on an evolutionary basis to how we are today and could in theory be easily taught the colonists language.

    5.
    I believe that the reason for Head-Six’s uber love fest with Baltar was purely tactical to get the attention of the most self absorbed person left in the universe. (Ok she enjoyed her work a bit too much)

    6.
    Agree with you that Tyrol got pretty much the worst deal going out every character of the series, coming a close second is Dualla (completely random suicide) and Boomer (although she did kinda ask for it after the occupation).

    7.
    Another one that didn’t cross my mind, maybe God got bored of making new moulds for things or had a soft spot for Cats and Dogs? (Seeing as the internet is 70% Cats we as a race obviously share this unhealthy obsession)

    Finally here is my take on the “God did it” plot device.
    I think from the start the show pretty much pitted science against faith when “Head-Six” started to say statements like “God has a plan for everyone” to a disbelieving Gaius, the archetypal scientist. So in hindsight I don’t personally think that it was a last minute scramble to tie everything up at the end as some people suggest, to me it seemed a little more planned than that but I agree a Deus Ex Machina is normally a cop-out and leaves most feeling cheated out of a “real” explanation (I felt this way a little too).

    I was generally happy with the arc as I kinda get the impression the whole story is a giant Deus Ex Machina, it’s the whole reason events happened in the first place – e.g. God basically trying to create a race of humans that are ethically mature enough to be able to create lifeforms of their own without abusing their position. (I also liked the fact that this wasn’t the first “run” as it were and that God had basically afforded enough free-will to the “players” so that it could be mucked up again and again)

    Sorry about the length! I didn’t expect my comments to be this long but I do tend to waffle a bit, haha. Thanks again for a great post and Happy New Year.

    • Andrew says:

      Thanks for your kind words and such a detailed and thoughtful response, Craig. A couple of points in return:

      1. It’s one thing to settle into a more pastoral life. It’s another thing to give up even the most basic of technology. Medical care? Farming equipment? No way. It was a cheat to get the writers where they wanted to go, and a pretty flimsy one at that.

      2. I generally agree with this, but it was weak that the show didn’t really explain anything after dragging out and underscoring the mystery so much.

      3. Maybe they were all supposed to be in the Colony? Again, seems either like a plot hole or something that wasn’t adequately explained.

      4. But therein lies another plothole…the natives learned English? And then forgot it or it was lost to history until it cropped up again as a mix of German and Latin? Too much weird implied obsolescence with the whole thing.

      5. Plausible, but weird, which is still perfectly acceptable, but the frustrating thing is that it seems like the show’s creators didn’t know what Head Six was anymore than the audience did until pretty close to the end.

      Cheers for 6 & 7.

      I think the themes the show explored were introduced from the very first episode, and faith vs. science came to the forefront throughout the series’ run. I would take no issue with the intersection of those two ideas forming the foundation of the show’s conclusion. The problem I have is that while the show’s creators set that up thematically, they didn’t set it up in a satisfying way in terms of plot. If the character’s actions lead inexorably to the same, divinely-mandated result, then what was the point of those actions? We were headed the same direction regardless, and so why even have a steering wheel? More importantly, the ending was not constructed by a divine being with perfect foresight; it was constructed by a room full of writers who had to contend with plot missteps and character shifts and loads of implications they either did not think through or ignored, and it meant that they could not adequately account for the series as a whole or the outcomes they wanted. Divinity could have been the answer to the questions the BSG had spent four seasons asking, but the creators of the show never finished clearing their throats and couldn’t cough out the right words to express it.

      Thanks again for your comments. Happy New Year to you as well!

      • Banol says:

        1. The unanonimus decision to get rid of everything was absurd and inprobable off course. It’s enough to say that many injured man, who just fought with evil Cylons were sentenced to death due to lack of medical equipement and everyone’s perfectly fine with that.

  32. Linda says:

    Ha, I was just reading your blog and comments and figured that they must have been from so long ago, but I see that they are pretty current. I, too, just finished a marathon Battlestar watching (it took about 3 weeks), and I had heard that the ending was disappointing, so I was really curious to get to the ending (and enjoyed the show along the way.) Overall, the end was better than I thought it would be, but I do agree with your points here, namely, what was Kara? But other questions nagged me, such as, why didn’t the president use Hera’s blood again? And why was Hera so important? If Athena was able to get pregnant, couldn’t any of the others? And there were other human children. It’s not like she was the only human/cylon/hybrid of child-bearing age left alive when they got to earth.
    And when the first earth is discovered, they do show North America, so obviously the new earth is either an exact copy or it is a different time period/ alternative universe. Maybe Kat’s coordinates took them back in time? Or forward? Or was that a mistake on the writer’s part and they thought we wouldn’t remember?
    Just a few of my initial thoughts… But overall I liked the series.

    • Andrew says:

      One of the fun things about BSG is that it still has enough good word of mouth that people keep coming to the show even though it’s been off the air for close to four years now. I can’t imagine having to wait a week, let alone months, between episodes! We’re the lucky ones.

      I’m glad that the ending wasn’t a big downer for you. The Hera’s blood thing is another problem. Really, the whole Laura Roslin getting cancer again plot was kind of convenient, for lack of a better term. Again, it reeks of the show’s writers wanting to make a point without any concern for whether their mechanism for making it works with what they’ve set up previously.

      The other things you bring up are big loose ends as well that are never adequately explained. Some of them I suspect are deliberate, and others, the Earth thing in particular, I suspect are just screw ups.

      What’s funny is that I think I still like the series. It ends with a punch to the gut, but the journey getting there was marvelous. Thanks for the comment!

      • Linda says:

        Thanks for responding! After I wrote that, I again thought about how cancer was even a thing on the show. You’d think with all the technological advances that they would have figured out how to cure it. Kinda depressing that they didn’t! And the smoking and drinking… I wasn’t sure what they were trying to say. Their space technology was more advanced than us, but their habits and healthcare system was the same? I didn’t get that aspect of the show.

        • Andrew says:

          My pleasure. One of the things I liked about BSG was that it presented a more realistic “future” for mankind. They were essentially us with the capability of space travel, and that made the characters and their plight more relatable. Only the Cylons had really advanced beyond that, and they were supposed to be somewhat alien. As I mentioned in the article, it’s hard to maintain realism in a show about spacemen fleeing killer robots, but by keeping humanity’s technological advances to a minimum, the show’s creators kept it more grounded and more accessible.

    • Tim says:

      The Earth shown in the end of season 3 end shot is somewhere out there, from a God’s Eye view, and obviously where they wind up at the end of season 4 – but they didn’t show Kara’s ship crashed there, so it’s not necessarily the Final Five Earth.

      The “English” that they are speaking, using it to talk about Greek gods, is implied to be all “parallelism” – it’s not literally “All Along the Watchtower” they are hearing. I think you’ve got to buy that, otherwise the show would have had to have used subtitles from the miniseries on. All of these things are universal archetypes, but not literally the same thing.

      The “mitochondrial eve” idea was probably intended to dovetail with the concept that homo sapiens sapiens (us) and neanderthals coexisted for tens of thousands of years and likely interbred. Note she’s part of the group in Africa, so the implication is every other colonist group dies out.

      The point of eliminating all other cyclon children – 6′s miscarriage, Tyrol’s son isn’t really his son – is that the intervention of “God” using the angels starting in the miniseries is all to one purpose, which is getting Hera to Earth so that there can be another attempt at making humans and robots live together peacefully. Getting BSG out of the colonies, reuniting Helo with the fleet with Athena and therefore their baby – are all part of this. The whole purpose of the Final Five – who all are fated to wind up in the fleet together and stay alive – is to help kill off the other cylons. That’s the whole show. If the cylons could reproduce this plan would be foiled.

      Actually, a better way of looking at it is the new cylons actually can never reproduce, and Hera is a “miracle”. Unresolved is what was up with the Final Five… since they’d lost resurrection until right before they were nuked, we know that they could reproduce. The only female young enough to do so would have been Tory – Ellen Tigh might have just been simply infertile since she and Tigh had never had children at any point – which would make it plausible that she’d therefore have to die so there are no pure cylon children. Or, alternately the bodies they resurrected into share the same problems as all other cyclons.

      So if you look at it from that point of view, as the people in the fleet finally begin to piece that together this “miracle” and realize they they’re all just along for a ride with Hera, it might seem like a good thing to get out of the way of. Recall that BSG itself reverts in technology on purpose (landline phones, no networked computers) as a reaction to nearly losing a war to machines the first time, and after the Final Five Earth and Kobol, they now seem to know that technology destroying you seems to be a pattern built into the universe. It even destroyed the cylons on “Earth”, even though they are in some way machines. They’re doomed if they keep computers, and they know this for certain in a way they didn’t when they tried to build New Caprica. I’d guess they’d keep all of the medicine, and they talked about farming, and the plan was probably keep everything you need for a basic existence without the rest of the technology you know for certain will try to kill you later.

      Also recall that the “good” centurions still have their base star, and are probably able to subvert any remaining humanoid cylons out there that survived the colony falling into the black hole. The centurions can manufacture more centurions, but the remaining humanoid cyclons are it – there won’t be more of them, and the implication is that the centurions are going to go after them the way they did with humans on Caprica, Earth, and Kobol.

  33. Torvaris Williams says:

    Andrew who was your favorite cylon?
    Mine had to be #1 bcuz when the other main cylon models wanted to be human,or somehow got attached to that life that was programmed for them to think they had,#1 knew who he was,which was not human.He knew his role as a cylon,and did not get attached to who he was programmed to be,and the people he met,and he was the ruthless one.

    ” I don’t want to be human! I want to see gamma rays! I want to hear X-rays! And I want to – I want to smell dark matter! Do you see the absurdity of what I am? I can’t even express these things properly because I have to – I have to conceptualize complex ideas in this stupid limiting spoken language! But I know I want to reach out with something other than these prehensile paws! And feel the wind of a supernova flowing over me! I’m a machine! And I can know much more! I can experience so much more. But I’m trapped in this absurd body! And why? Because my five creators thought that God wanted it that way! LOL..

    • Andrew says:

      I’m not sure I have a favorite. #1 has a lot of fun and interesting lines as the jaunty villain. #6 obviously does a lot of cool and intriguing things throughout the series in her various forms. Both Athena and Boomer have a lot of complex and engaging storylines going for them. And hey, it’s not quite the same but every member of the final five has had a lot of awesome moments on the show except for Tori. I do love that monologue though.

  34. Torvaris Williams says:

    Babylon 5 looks interesting,got good reviews too.

    • Andrew says:

      Babylon 5 has been on my long-term watch list for a while now. I’m not sure when (if ever) I will get to it, but I’ve heard that, in contrast to BSG, its creator had a clear 5-season arc planned out in somewhat intricate detail and that while the acting isn’t always up to snuff, the plot unfolds extremely well.

      • Erik says:

        Just be aware that Babylon 5 was cancelled during season 4, then suddenly renewed for season 5. This meant the creator was forced to wrap up a few plot points sooner than anticipated (so the fans wouldn’t be left hanging), which meant season 5 had fewer plot points to resolve, while season 4 covers several events in fairly rapid succession.

        • Andrew says:

          Ahhh, good to know. Thanks! It’s obviously a much less plot-driven show, but I felt the same way about the last episode of Arrested Development. Felt like they burned of three more seasons worth of storylines in fifteen minutes!

  35. Tyson33412 says:

    Its a show people!!!!!! draw your own conclusions not meant to be picked apart this is ficton remember everything does not need to be explained use your imagination that what shows are all about. Enjoy it for what it is dont take the fun out of TV and Movies its not Burger King you cant have it your way create your own show and make it perfect in your world.

    • Andrew says:

      Sure Tyson, but what makes a show great and compelling is how it is able to connect with its audience, building trust and engagement with the viewers and having them buying into your characters. Once you’ve done that, to produce a conclusion that throws much of what made that level of engagement possible out the window is understandably frustrating.

  36. Eric says:

    So I think one thing nobody commented on the end of the show was the interaction between the supposedly “Angelic” 6 and Gaius Baltar. I don’t remember it ever being resolved completely that it wasn’t a chip or some kind of infiltration into Gaius’ brain that made him hallucinate. 6 obviously being a machine could have her programming tampered with, and in the 150k years later scene when they mention God’s plan and Gaius says “you know HE doesn’t like to be called that” gives me the impression that there was a meta agenda from even more advanced machines going on more then it was necessarily a religious fix. but maybe I am reading too much into it.

    • Andrew says:

      It’s an interesting idea. I feel like the show’s creators were going for the idea that Head Six and Head Baltar were agents of God, or at least of some supernatural being, but there’s nothing to say we have to buy that 100%. It would be interesting if they were both just some sort of super-advanced machines. For some reason your idea reminds of Isaac Asimov’s .

      • Scott says:

        It appears that the Cylons take different forms in each cycle. The Five were different from the Colonial era Cylons, so it might be possible that Starbuck and the Angels were Cylons from other cycles. Possibly from cycles where technology was not bounded by time or space, thus appearing God-like, much as the Colonial would have appeared on 2nd Earth with their flying machines and technology. Just a thought.

        • Andrew says:

          Is this from Caprica or Blood and Chrome? Because in BSG we see scenes of the final five at a time that is supposed to be thousands of years ago and they look exactly the same. Then again, I don’t know how long a cycle is supposed to be. Plus the Final Five made the colonial cylons did they not? That’s why Cavil is supposed to look like Ellen’s father.

  37. Dickie says:

    Man, I just watched the show for the first time, and the ending just left me feeling such disappointment. I don’t really mind the Kara Thrace thing. She’s an angel, whatever. It seems possible in this world.

    The giving up of the technology was the worst part, by far. They all spread out over the earth and forego technology when there’s only two doctors on the show, as far as I can tell. What about the diseases that they’d have no resistance to? Did they give up all their weapons? Life was hard for early hominids. Only about 25% lived past the age of 40. Who in the hell would sign up for this lifestyle? No AC in the summer? Screw that. I’d expect at least one hold-out group, but that would ruin the entire premise of the ending that this was all in the past, since there’s no evidence of this.

    I would at least want the mining and farming tools and machine tools. It just doesn’t make any sense. Maybe Hera was the only one to survive the following month or so and was found by the hominids. Who knows?

    I couldn’t even imagine getting people to give up iPhones for a week.

    • Andrew says:

      I know that feeling, man. It’s not that I necessarily took issue with Kara being an angel; it’s just that the nature of her existence was a question they raised repeatedly and never really bothered to satisfyingly answer.

      You’re right about all the flaws with giving up technology. It makes so little sense for so many people. But the worst part of it is the idea that everyone went along with. It does not at all cohere with the members of the fleet we’d gotten to know over four seasons. Just awful.

      Thanks for the comment!

      • Maybe I am reading too much in here, but was there an element of “FU! Cancel us prematurely, will you? Take that, viewing audience!”. They were mad at the execs, and took it out on us, the viewers. Passive aggressive?

  38. jill says:

    i think one of the most interesting things about the finale is the very last scene where the two so called angels walk through our contemporary world discussing
    its future survival. then right at the end one says something about God’s plan and the other replies he doesnt like to be called that. why would God not like to be
    called God unless maybe he wasn’t God. And they very clearly call him a he
    so i am left wondering is this contiual repeating experiment being carried out by some alien being or entity or maybe even more straight forward than that is it
    actually the devil.

    • Andrew says:

      It’s an interesting thought. Clearly, the creators of the show were trying to show that there’s some sort of higher power at work, but they’re intentionally ambiguous about what the nature of that power is. The being in charge of BSG certainly seems to have power and knowledge far superior to that of humans or Cylons, but it’s hard to say what exactly they intended that being to be or what its motives are. Food for thought!

  39. Edmund Wells says:

    This may be beating a dead Cylon at this point, but as a writer and long-time fan of science fiction, I feel compelled to add a few observations. I just finished the series and generally enjoyed it, though it was clearly not perfect. One problem with the ending, as noted, was that it was rushed, and as such many points were skimmed over or left open-ended. While many of those points should probably have been covered (or at least touched upon), sometimes a story is more thought-provoking (hence this lively blog) when certain aspects are left unanswered.

    Specifically: Much ado has been made over the “giving up of technology.” Since we only see one scene where Lee makes this assertion, we don’t know for a fact that in the months to come this decision is not eroded and later abandoned by the settlers of new-Old Earth. In support of this belief is the simple fact that 150,000 years later (probably much sooner) we see a very technologically advanced world, and so clearly the decision to remain “pastoral” was short-lived. There are also different fields of technology; they might have opted to build simple homes, vehicles and tools, etc … but focus instead on non-violent advances such as medicine, food production, communications and air conditioning. The point Lee made was, I believe, to avoid the technological mistakes that lead to war, not necessarily to abandon all comforts. And who can blame a crew who’d survived such a horrible technological nightmare for wanting a little distance from machinery in lieu of a simpler life – at least for a while. So I think the objections in this blog to Lee’s suggestion to avoid tech have been greatly overstated. The future shows otherwise.

    In my view, Kara Thrace was one of the most kick-ass, emotionally-charged and complex characters in this story or in most sci-fi stories period. She was tough as nails yet still vulnerable, as brave as any warrior, intelligent, resourceful and flawed – a great, great character. And yes, I agree that her disappearance was a disappointing choice and a cop out by the writers, who clearly felt it would be easier (and faster) to do this than provide a concrete explanation, and I’m sure they thought that ambiguity would be stronger than picking a “fact” that might be criticized. All along I assumed she had to be a Cylon. If SHE had been one of the “final five” rather than Ellen, it would have made a lot more sense, but the writers wanted to be tricksy and in doing so outsmarted themselves. I liked the idea that Kara might be Daniel’s child. Even better, however, was my guess that Kara WAS Daniel in a new body (one he designed himself), and that would have fit nicely since Daniel was supposed to be artistic and Kara painted and played music, plus the final five were like gods of creation anyway. So yes, opportunity lost with a rather tragic error in judgment on the part of the writers, who I suppose wanted a more “religious” ambiguity. I also loved the suggestion on this blog that she could at least have yelled “I love Lee Adama!” before fading away. That small touch would have helped ease the sting a little.

    As for Hera being the new Eve – why does anyone even suggest that Hera would be a child when she procreates? Think beyond the final episode: in ten or twelve more years she’d be old enough to unabashedly give birth, and I think we can count on Helo and Athena from keeping unwanted neanderthal suitors away. Besides, there were enough Cylons and humans on the planet to theoretically give birth to other hybrid children, and it’s not like Hera could re-populate the planet herself. Hera was more symbolic of the ability for humans and Cylons to procreate than as a tool to do it on her own. Some people would have mated with the locals, probably the Chief, lol.

    Otherwise, I found the cyclical theme of man’s self-destruction intriguing – but would also have preferred the “alternate universe” explanation for new-Old Earth that had been suggested on this blog, especially since they were right at the rim of a black hole. A little “cheesy” is far better than a lot “unworkable.”

    I prefer to think of Kara Thrace as having been Daniel in his new form, on alternate universe Earth, who disrobes in the fading light and takes Lee Adama by the hand, making some comment about their obligation to get frakking and repopulate the Earth. Who says I can’t write my own ending?

    • Andrew says:

      Thanks for the comment, Edmund!

      In general, I am certainly appreciative of nuance and subtlety when it comes to finishing a story. But when it comes to BSG, I think that outside of Starbuck, the problem was less that the show’s creators didn’t provide an answer to the show’s big questions, but rather that they provided unsatisfying answers. They attempted to wrap everything up neatly, and it seems to me that in their haste they neglected to consider a number of the implications in an ending that was supposed to have a great deal of “finality” for its characters and their quest.

      With respect to giving up technology, I can accept that there’s theoretically room in the story for dissension and issues with the transition. That said, I think there’s a pretty clear implication that their society gives up technology wholesale. When we see people departing the ship onto Earth, they’re not bringing much with them. Also, these people are supposed to be our planet’s primogenitors, and since we can safely say that the fact that archeologists have yet to uncover any high tech medical supplies or farming equipment, it suggests the show intended to convey that the colonials had foregone all technology. I wouldn’t blame large portions of the crew being willing to go along with this plan, but the entire fleet? That just doesn’t cohere with the contentious population the audience came to know over four seasons.

      I heartily agree with you about Kara, both in terms of how great she was as a character and the disappointment about the end of her story. Daniel was another loose thread that never really felt tied up, but I’m more apt to cut the writers some slack on that one. I too was wondering how they were going to tie him into Starbuck’s fate.

      I could be guilty of less-than-artful language, but I never meant to suggest that Hera would procreate as a child. The greater concern is that establishing Hera as our first genetic ancestor implies either that there was some cross-species reproduction, which has troubling implications given how primitive the native homo sapiens were 150,000 years ago, or the colonials were our only primogenitors, which means that those native peoples were essentially squeezed out of the gene pool and sent down a path of extinction. Neither is terribly palatable.

      I too appreciated the alternative universe suggestion for the ending. Nothing wrong with a little krypto-revisionism! Thanks again for the thoughtful comment.

      • Edmund Wells says:

        Andrew:

        I see your point, and I agree that what the writers needed was to give themselves another episode or two to wrap up these questions more fully and more thoughtfully. They clearly hadn’t thought many of these issues out very well.

        As to the technology issue, I still cannot help but see it in terms of them giving up the technology of warfare. After all – it was a Battlestar that they’d primarily abandoned, so the technology they were giving up seemed more in the vein of guns and planes. It’s not like they could have saved anything that needed electricity to run, or their plumbing systems, so why bother? The things they left behind would have mostly been useless anyway on a pre-historic world, so what did they really volunteer to leave behind apart from the vipers and the weapons? Anyway, I agree some would have argued to keep what they could salvage – including me.

        • Andrew says:

          Re: technology – they had a fairly industrialized society on New Caprica, and presumably there was little reason they couldn’t have done the same sort of setup on Earth. I believe the intended implication is that the fleet was settling into a much more pastoral life.

          • Dan T says:

            I remember it being said that with the farm ships they could essentially produce food indefinitely. I dont see how they would give that up in favour of waiting the next however many months to produce food on the new planet.

        • Scott says:

          Giving up technology sounds pleasant until your kids start to die from malaria and your life expectancy is cut in half by simple things like tooth decay. Africa is biologically unfriendly to outsiders with no immunities, but I guess maybe Kara beams back with some medicine in the next episode that they never made. Still loved my BSG marathon. Sigh.

  40. Dan T says:

    I agree on all those points, though I had not thougt about the significance of cats and dogs.
    I felt like there was alot of build up (always felt BSG built tension fantastically) just for it to literally go ‘poof’. After watching the final episode I remember thinking ‘better watch the next episode so I know what happened OH WAIT’.

    Something in particular that is bugging the hell out of me (and a blatant result of rushed work) is the whole simultaneous opera house visions. All that build up, constant mentions, endless repeats of this vision, ‘a dying leader will know the truth of the opera house’ just for it to have no significance what so ever. At all. Even slightly. Four seasons worth of build up. For FRAK ALL.

    • Andrew says:

      Thanks, Dan! The Opera House thing was incredibly frustrating. I mean, it doesn’t exactly raise any questions, but it was such an anticlimax given how long and how consistently they made such a big deal out of it. Just another example of poor planning on the show’s part.

  41. Mr. Skool says:

    Right. You asked a very specific question(s) about a specific show… the last one. I can dig it. Problems abound, inconsistencies galore, questions remain unanswered. Frak!

    Regardless, I think it is most unfortunate some individuals view the entire series through the lens of the finale’. I have seen a fair bit of television, a fair bit of science fiction, and I believe BSG to be one of the best shows (warts and all) in which I have invested my time. The acting, writing, direction, production quality, etc., was consistently excellent. Theirs was an extremely complex story to tell, countless subplots. I understand the arc of specific story lines needed to be completed, answered, resolved, whatever. But I don’t believe the creators / writers were lazy or disinterested. Perhaps too much time was expended on one story line at the expense of another. A mistake? Yes. Just the same, I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt. I never (perhaps rarely) had the impression they were talking down to the viewers. I felt the effort was put forth and, as with all things, perfection was not attainable. Yes, I have questions which remained unanswered. Bummer. But you know what… so it goes. Pretty frakin’ good entertainment if you ask me, especially when compared to the brain drain that is Star Trek (and most science fiction on TV.)

    No, disregard that. Comparisons are not necessary. Pretty frakin’ good entertainment, period. Great show. Loved it.

    • Andrew says:

      Insults directed at Star Trek will not be tolerated!

      But seriously folks. That is what made the ending of BSG so frustrating. The show’s creators took you on this ride that was filled with great characters and compelling storylines and thoughtful explorations of big issues, and then at the very end they just piss it all away with a collection of conveniences, inconsistencies, and quick fixes. The show that preceded the finale is still great, but the end casts an unfortunate shadow over everything that came before it when you know that this, this bill of goods, is where the show was heading.

      • Mr. Skool says:

        Yes, what you said:

        “…great characters”
        “…compelling storylines”
        “…thoughtful explorations of big issues”

        Okay, that right there puts this show above 99% of the tripe out there in TV-land (Star Trek, for reasons of decorum, will be excluded from this conversation.)

        I am not arguing the point – a bit more clarity at the end would have been ideal. They blew it! But BSG is in pretty rarefied air because they DID hit the mark so often.

        (Ok, I can’t help myself: Andrew, I am 51 years old and have seen ’EVERYTHING’ Star Trek. Truly, do you not feel BSG is the superior, more thoughtful of the two brands?

        Nice blog, btw.

        • Andrew says:

          Thank you for the kind words about the blog!

          The issue with BSG in relation to its finale, in contrast to many scifi shows, is that the series was far more focused on one overall story-arc — the Cylons have a plan and the fleet is trying to find a new home. That’s not a problem in and of itself, but it puts a lot of narrative eggs in one basket, and most every story the show told was building that overarching plot in some way. When the ultimate payoff is so listless and unsatisfying, no matter how great the build was (and I fully admit it was great), there’s a pall over what has come before.

          Star Trek is undoubtedly worth its own article, but in a nutshell: hundreds of episodes, five different series, and fifty years of shows and movies make Star Trek and BSG hard to compare. That said, I would put the best episodes of TNG/DS9 on equal footing with the best episodes of BSG, and Ron Moore was involved in all three! I talk a little bit about my admiration for Picard/Patrick Stewart in this post.

          • Mr. Skool says:

            Mr. T. A. Blog:

            I admit your depth of knowledge vastly exceeds mine. I am your bitch. I defer to your expertise. I am not worthy.

            That being said Patrick Stewart chews more scenery (and now… on with the superlatives) than any human being ever, since the dawn of time, in all of history, forever, never to be exceeded by anyone, any time, anywhere, in the entire universe. Adama was, in every sense of the word, human. Picard was, in every respect, a two dimensional cardboard cutout who did the impossible: Made Ayn Rand characters appear fully fleshed out. Is there a hyphen in ‘Over-act’? Don’t know… I’ll ask Patrick.

            T.A.B., won’t keep you any longer as I am now way, way off topic. Nevertheless, I appreciate your insights, knowledge, and feedback. I enjoyed reading some of your older posts… you’re a cool customer. I like that! You would be an excellent teacher… or battlestar commander.

            Live long and… oh, whatever.

          • Andrew says:

            Nah nah nah — art is subjective, and at the end of the day, this is all just my opinion. Take it with a grain of salt.

            I love the Adama character, and I think he’s great too, but it’s also hard for me to look at TNG episodes like “Family” and “Chain of Command” and say that the Picard character was not portrayed as human. If it’s any consolation, my fiancee feels the same way you do about Picard!

            And thank you very very much for the kind words about my little blog! You are far too kind — I mean it.

  42. Scott says:

    1) I might agree to abandon technology, but I would definitely make a few storm shelters out of the metal plating on those land-able ships. Even if you didn’t use the tech, wouldn’t would give yourself a fighting chance by using the materials? Also, what about Adama’s Raptor and the last Viper he flew down in?

    2) I think the Kara plot line cleverly illustrates how primitive we still are. We don’t under stand what she is and the writers didn’t say so we begin mythologizing. We cant just accept it. We, as a species hate not knowing, just like the Colonials, so people follow prophecies.

    3) Yeah, there was nothing that indicated to me that the remaining Cylons wouldn’t just track the Colonials down. When Kara made the jump in Galactica at the end they couldn’t have crossed the galaxy or moved through time because they sent a raptor to bring the rest of the fleet to Earth 2.0. They were clearly still within travel distance to their old fleet position, barring some of screen magic that we didn’t see.

    4) As others have noted, she would not have been the only Cylon/human child so I didn’t see why eluding to her being the mother of our civilization was important. They also said mitochondrial eve was a “young woman,” so I guess poor Hera dies young. Bummer. Maybe you are right and the spacemen supplanted the natives hence, the “missing link.” Seemed very rushed. Much of the fourth season felt like maybe they were hoping the phone would ring and green-light a season five.

    5) Yeah, the Angels were pretty sexual beings. I just think they were Cylons, but so far advanced that it made the stuff happening on the show look like kids games. So the Angels just played.

    6) Gaylen reminded me of Job, just abused by God. Total Old Testament feeling that makes you question the nature of God. I think his role was just one of the many thing the writers cherry picked from various scriptures. But, I agree deeply that he went through so much and they just dropped it and devoted the time to wrapping up other stuff. They should have had him leave with the Centurions.

    7) Like all your other points, this one is solid. Cats and dogs everywhere in the galaxy. Well at least all the microbes on the new planet will be just like the one’s on Caprica so they don’t all die in a month.

    Thanks for letting me talk about BSG. I just finished the series and my wife is tired of me trying to explain it to her over dinner. I’m pretty sure she’s a Cylon.

    - Scott

    • Andrew says:

      Thanks very much for the kind words. I still Starbuck’s fate was more a cop out on the part of the writers than anything. There’s deliberate ambiguity and then there’s “we’ve written ourselves into a corner, so let’s not bother to explain why this should make sense.” I also think your comparison between Tyrol and Job is an interesting one. It wasn’t until I sat down to write this article that it dawned on me how many terrible misfortunes he had suffered along the way.

      Thanks for commenting! As for your wife — you should just check whether her spine glows orange the next time you’re imitating those “more advanced” Cylons, heh.

    • li says:

      When she’s having a bath, put your hand in the water … see if you get any interesting thoughts.

      Interesting point 6, Scott. I saw other parallels from the bible … the flood wiping out evil to make way for a more righteous, god-loving population, Galen as Job, the name Adam(a) and Hera(Eve) … must be more.

  43. Dean V says:

    I’m starting to feel like the only one (aside from Alan Sepinwall) who loves the ending.
    Having watched the extended version on Blu Ray just 2 days ago, I was overwhelmed with emotion. Especially the last 30 minutes. Never did I cry before while watching the TV. Man, was I struck with tears on those amazingly crafted character closure sequences. With Baltar finally giving in to himself. Adama talking about the easterly view for Laura. Amazing. So many tears.
    And what about Anders’ resolution! ‘Connected to perfection’ My favourite character send-off. That was such pretty frakking good writing.

    The fact that “A divine force” did it was satisfying for me. Actually to be honest, I never expected something else. Ron Moore totally nailed it ‘for me’. Yes, for me.
    It’s exactly my vision, exactly how I would write it. My vision.
    And for that, I’m so frakking happy.

    Of course it has it’s flaws. Like pointed out by various other commenters.
    But they don’t mind me. Only one:
    - Where the Hell was the Adama/Tigh goodbye??!!

    That was my positive comment for today! Mixed in with so many negative comments. (no offense, I respect everyone’s views)
    But positive energy is good sometimes.

    I’m still the only one, am I?

    • Andrew says:

      You might be!

      Nah, other people have commented saying they liked it, despite its flaws. I think part of the problem with the ending is that you and I became so attached to these characters that it was a solid emotional moment to say goodbye to them, no matter what the circumstances; that fact notwithstanding, so much of the resolution of the plot felt so rushed and ill-thought out that the show’s creators couldn’t properly wrap up the main story of the show at the same time they were trying to wrap up each individual character’s story.

      • Dan T says:

        In my opinion, the reason I feel the ending was so weak was due to the fact that everything before it just had, for myself, this tremendous sense of permanent tension. Incredible amounts of it. No other series has had me quite hooked like this, nothing even comes close and for 3+ seasons of continuous build up just to vanish, not even fizzle, just go. Im not sure I expressed that clearly enough… sorry.

        • Andrew says:

          I would cetainly agree with you that that was a problem with it. When you do so much building, the payoff has to be good and meaningful or else it reflects poorly on all the building.

  44. Derek says:

    I just marathoned this series in the past two months and was also disappointed with series finale. Your post and some of the comments have already addressed most of the flaws in the finale. My biggest complaint was that the writers tried to give us a happy ending that does not fit the overall tone of the show. An ending that has the bad cylons conveniently eliminated and the remaining survivors living happily ever after (except Tyrol, he really got screwed) on a lush, green earth just did not feel right for a dark, gritty show like BSG.

    • Andrew says:

      I think you could have a (relatively) happy ending on BSG and make it work with the tone of the show. The problem was that the ending was too rushed, too simple, and too easy. The characters didn’t “earn” their happy ending, and that’s why it rang so false to us both. It was a random sequence of events (or at least a sequence of events outside of their control) that led them to Eden. BSG, more than anything, was about how much one has to struggle and sacrifice to earn your bit of happiness. Then ending the show by delivering that happy ending on a divine, silver platter is what makes it seem so hollow in comparison to the rest of the series.

  45. Hobbs says:

    There were many flaws with the finale, I’m comfortable saying that a few years later but I’m still okay with some of the things not being answered. As far as the giving up technology you can’t think in absolutes. Clearly they didn’t give up all the tech if they were driving raptors around. The way I look at it is that many of the survivors would have had a problem with giving up everything and who says they didn’t? You’ve heard of Atlantis, no written record of that except in stories. Was it a real advanced city or a myth? Maybe at the time the tech argument game up, riots or fights broke out to keep or give up tech…the point is that’s a whole other story right there and better left to the imagination. That one is much easier to get through than the whole God did it all ending.

    So when are we going to have the one year later post? Clearly there is still an interest in discussing the show. Peace out!

    • Dean V says:

      I’m sorry if I sound stupid, but I’m curious: What is the one year later post?

      • Andrew says:

        In some earlier comments, I mentioned that I’d been considering writing a “BSG: One Year Later” post about whether, in retrospect, I would recommend the show to a friend. I’ve been putting it off for some time, but Hobbs is right. It’s probably time to go ahead and write it.

    • Andrew says:

      As I mentioned in another comment, I can buy the idea there was more to the discussion of giving up technology. What we saw, however, gives us one of the two problems. Either 1. The show seemed to fairly straightforwardly imply that the fleet had given up technology, which leads to the problems I discuss in the article or 2. The show meant to leave room for a debate and further conflict about giving up technology. In which case, this is another testament to the fact that the ending was far too rushed and didn’t adequately explore everything the show had built up over four seasons.

      Just for you, I’m working on the one year later post right now!

      • Hobbs says:

        Looking forward to reading and discussing it…The whole harbinger of death or doom, whatever Kara was supposed to be didn’t make any sense either. She was the angle that lead the way apparently.

        I was really thinking the original cylon Daniel that they talked about but never showed was going to play a big part in the ending. I thought he was going to be the great and powerful Oz behind the curtain. In fact, I remember a sci-fi book I read years ago by Asimov or Clarke…or one of those great sci fi guys that had a character named Daniel watching over the Earth from the moon. Probably why I thought BSG was going to head in that direction.

        • Dean V says:

          I thought Daniel would play at least some part. I always had a gut feeling that his concious was transported to the Hybrids. For some reason. And that the Hybrids knew what Kara was because she was supposedly his daughter and whatnot.

          This way; the Harbinger of Death could be explained by the fact that the Hybrids foresaw that the Colony would be destroyed and so the Cylons.

          I could be reaching, but that’s what I always thought.
          Only thing that was a little dissappointing at last.

          • Hobbs says:

            Well, you said Moore nailed it for you and from everyone I talk to it seems to be almost 50/50. I think Moore did us a disservice by concluding that it was just about the characters. No it wasn’t it was about a lot more than just the characters. Someone mentioned the show Lost and the guys who wrote the show did and said the same thing at the end. That is a writing cop out when they can’t figure out a way of the corner they painted themselves into.

            If the show was just about the characters you wouldn’t raise any other questions during the run of the show but I’m beating a dead horse here. In the end I am happy they resolved the characters final moments but the fact is they left a lot hanging out there…too much in my opinion.

            Good sci-fi shows are hard to come by especially a show that had zero aliens in it. There was a lot of good episodes during its run.

  46. Mr. Skool says:

    For you, Andrew:

    My Soul

    Sometimes
    When I feel like I’m going to fall apart
    I hold my ribs, all the way around,
    Both sides.
    My ribs hold me together,
    Like glue.
    They keep my breath close to my heartbeat.
    They keep my soul from escaping and
    Leaving me, grounded.
    I hold brightness and shadows in
    The hollow where my ribs meet.
    I hold them there in the memories
    Of slow, sorrowful music and
    Porch steps.
    I hold my ribs, until I feel solid.
    Until my legs are tree trunks and
    My fingers are fruit.

    Ember Ward

  47. Dan says:

    Hey, first of all just want to say how glad I am I found this blog. I just recently finished a marathon of BSG…watched the whole series in about three weeks. Amazing show! I had a few reservations about the finale as well, but in the past few days I have come to terms with it. My biggest concern was the fact that they gave up all technology so easily. Every decision in the show was debated endlessly by the quorum and I would have liked to see some dissent about this final decision, but I get it, the show was coming to an end and they had to wrap it up quickly. I guess maybe a few more episodes could have been devoted to that story arc. I’ve noticed a lot of people who question the idea that the BSG could have settled a primitive Earth 150,000 years ago with no impact on the historical or archealogical record, and my response to these people is, get over it. It’s a fictional tv show, it’s not like they were trying to lay out a scientific theory for the beginning of civilization on Earth. It was a creative decision made by the writers, and taken at face value it works and creates entertaining television. We are descended from these characters, not the other way around. Then there’s the God’s plan issue. I question whether anyone who is upset with this has even seen an episode of the show. You would be hard pressed to find a single episode throughout the 4 season run where a discussion of God or the God’s plans are not discussed. Everything has happened before and everything will happen again. This line was uttered dozens of times. There was some sort of preordained plan involved, plain and simple. If you never picked up on it, Idk what to tell you. Then there is Starbuck. I have to admit, I was a little upset with how she just disappeared at the end. Poof, she’s gone. But the more I think about it, the more sense it makes. Starbuck was a part of the plan as laid out by the Gods from the time she was a child. She learned the song. She painted the pictures. She was destined to be the Harbinger of Death. When she crashed on Earth and died, she had to be resurrected because she had not yet fulfilled her destiny. She came back and led the fleet to a dead planet, thus fulfilling her destiny as the Harbinger. Her story could have ended there…..but, when she realized she was dead, she made a decision that she wanted her life to count as something more than just being a part of a plan. She wanted to be remembered for something. Everything that happened after original Earth deviated from God’s plan. Roslin even burned the scrolls, remember. They stopped following destiny and decided to make their own fate. Startbuck led the fleet to New Earth on her own free will. Finally, at the end she was content. After a life of misery and hardship, she was happy, she had done some good, and her place in life was complete. Sure I would have liked to see her and Lee finally get together, but I guess that was always just a pipe dream. The only loose end I wanted to see tied up was Tyrell. What happened to him after he killed Tory. He had a pretty bad life, and I guess the writers didn’t think he deserved a fitting sendoff after all he had been through….poor chief :/

    • Hobbs says:

      deus ex machina Dan. No one is saying God shouldn’t have played a part in the ending but to have “God did it all” doesn’t give our characters free will. The best explination I can give you is this post…

      Divine intervention robs all the other characters of meaning. The story is no longer about how they struggled and overcame adversity. They did not battle their mortal and natural adversaries and triumph or fail. Rather, things came out as they did through divine will.

      This is particularly true when divine intervention or prophecy leads to an unlikely event. If, for example, it has been divinely willed or predicted that various characters will gather on the bridge of Galactica, with 5 glowing on the balcony and others playing various roles, then almost every single thing that led up to that result must also be due to divine intervention, and not the wills and actions of the characters. You can look back at the story and for every event, you will likely find that had the past gone differently, the divinely required event would not have happened, and so all the past becomes the reflection of divine will.

      In Battlestar Galactica, it gets more extreme. There, we are told that 2,000 years ago Anders wrote a song, and that 30 years ago, that song was put into the head of Starbuck. More recently it was put into Hera. The notes of this song, turned into a series of numbers, punched in at a very specific location in space at a very specific time, would send a ship many light years to appear over the moon of a planet that, a starting a billion years ago, had been the subject of very carefully guided evolution aimed at producing an identical genome to life evolving on another planet.

      You change almost anything about the BSG story and this event doesn’t happen. As a result, all the events of BSG have only one meaning — fulfillment of the divine plan.

      When gods appear as real characters in fiction, their job should not be to resolve the plot, but rather to create it. It’s OK when the gods create the problems our heroes will resolve. We want to read the story of how they resolve them and what journey they take.

      Gods can be fascinating characters, but they can never be truly comprehensible. They exist better, as Baltar says, as a force of nature. Man vs. nature is a great plot. Man vs. god is an incomprehensible one.

    • Andrew says:

      Hi Dan, thank you for the kind words about my article! Sorry it took me so long to reply, but I was actually working on a new article that tackles some of the issues you brought up in your comment. In a nutshell, while I don’t think the involvement of a divine being was a surprise necessarily, it not only differed from the way that the show had used supernatural forces in the past, but took away any agency from the characters’ actions.

      With respect to your other points – I don’t think the show’s creators had to match up everything perfectly with the latest anthropology textbook, but by the same token, the fleet landing on our Earth thousands of years ago if you think about it for more than a couple of minutes. I can appreciate a thematic choice that isn’t 100% grounded in science, but this was the exact opposite — a scientific point that even the most unschooled layman could easily poke holes in. That took away from the finale.

      The more I’ve thought about it, the more I’m at least kind of alright with Starbuck’s final trajectory, but I still think they shouldn’t have hyped up the mystery of what she was as much as the show did if they had no intention of providing any sort of answer. With respect to departing from God’s plan, they may have burned the scrolls and “charted a new path” after they found the Earth that had been burned to a cinder, but clearly given all the seemingly random events that saved their skins and magically delivered them to a new Eden of a planet with a perfect genetic match, it’s safe to say that the god of BSG was still orchestrating everything, and that’s a narrative problem.

      With respect to Chief Tyrol, there’s a deleted scene where its implied that he goes off to Scotland and becomes their primogenitor, that may even have been in the original airing. Seems like a strange thing to excise in Netflix/DVD releases. Nevertheless, I definitely wish there had been more on the aftermath of him killing Tory.

      Thanks again for the comment!

  48. Hobbs says:

    To be fair to the person who wrote the post here is the link to the whole article, it’s actually really good. http://ideas.4brad.com/battlestar/battlestars-daybreak-worst-ending-history-screen-science-fiction

  49. I, Butsy says:

    Lots of many intelligent replies here and no ‘frakking’ bad language which makes a fab change…. apologies for the pun, I couldn’t resist!

    I thought the season finale was fantastic. Do the writers need to answer everything? As much as it annoys me I think not. We can continue with our own vivid dreams.

    Anyone seen Blood & Chrome…….? The lens flare is so headache inducing and annoying, wear a pair of sunnies and decide for yourselves!

    ttfn

  50. Andrew says:

    Hi Butsy, thanks for the comment. I’m glad that the finale worked for you. I think that outside of Starbuck, the problem is less that the writers provided no answers, but rather that they provided unsatisfying answers. I haven’t seen Blood and Chrome, though. Any good?

  51. Simon says:

    I came across this blog having just had a 3 week Galactica marathon courtesy of LoveFilm and left it with a similar feeling of dissatisfaction, and many of the same questions. Mostly with the ending, but with some aspects of the whole series.

    A few points to make here – some refer to earlier comments, apologies for not replying individually where appropriate.

    Overall, the premise that Caprica is not (almost) present day Earth, but a parallel civilisation that developed along similar lines drives me a bit crazy with its similarities – the road vehicles appear to be exact copies of 20th century Earth vehicles, control panels within the spaceships – I could probably find the exact components for a lot of them straight out of the RS catalogue, medical equipment, clothes, instruments, toothpaste tubes, etc. so analagous that it is difficult to believe such a parallel development would be so identical – Although there may be some ancestral memory from the colonial settlers in our brains which could be used to explain similarities, I can’t imagine it would go down to the exact design of cars, traffic cones, toggle switches, etc.

    And on the ancestral memories front, the use of the term ‘Skin Job’ – do you think Ridley Scott remembered it from his ancestral colonial memories and reuse it in Bladerunner?

    From the finale, all the comments regarding ‘starting over’ with a blank slate and not keeping any of the technology struck me as very valid. If this is Earth 150 000 years ago, then even starting from nothing, I can’t see them do anything but alter history. They are already talking about farming and building houses (I’m no paleontological expert, but even those notions are probably way ahead of our 150 000 year old hominids). I can’t see them unlearning what they know, and we know there are doctors, scientists, and farmers among the settlers, engineers and probably geologists, etc. I would predict that they could quickly be producing crops at a basic level with what is immediately to hand, and soon progress onto more scientific methods (whatever young Adama says, I don’t expect people to limit their endeavours – specially if he disappears to explore, climb mountains and cross oceans!) as they explore the surroundings and gather together more materials such as crop rotation, irrigation, simple mechanisms such as windmills, watermills, pumping engines, etc. Soon I’d be expecting geologists to be identifying ores (I’m kind of assuming that before landing, they surveyed the surface and found somewhere with good natural resources) and producing metals (if you’re not doing what you’re good at, what’s the point of it all?), and before long we have the industrial revolution almost 150 000 years too early. The only limiting factor I can see is the speed of population growth.

    The Hitchhiker’s Guide To The Galaxy (TV series, book and film) has a similar situation (spoiler alert coming up – although the show is over 30 years old!). At the end of the TV show, two of the main characters end up (again by emergency use of a teleport device) transported to a Golgafrinchan starship that crashes into prehistoric Earth where we have the same situation – a spacefaring civilisation and natives. In this case the starship contains middlemen, telephone sanitisers, hairdressers, etc. – not exactly the population you’d want to effectively colonise a planet. While our main protagonists try to boost the natives’ skills, it is a futile endeavour as it is apparent that humanities ancestors turn out to be the Golgafrinchans and the natives die out.

    As for the single ‘Eve’ figure – from the outset, the settlers are far in advance of the indigenous hominids – they will of course have a disadvantage of maybe having to discover where the dangers are, and I suspect the settlers will take over and the indigenous will die out, rather than their being interbreeding. A possible way of making this idea work would be is if spending so long in space (and having been bombarded with so many Cylon nukes, both on the colony planets and in space battles) has left the majority of the settlers sterile, and Hera with her unusual genetic makeup and having been exposed to less radiation by virtue of being born after many of the battles may be one of the few left fertile – that does kind of result in the unpalatable conclusion that Hera would have to be a baby factory and mated with the natives.

    Incidentally, someone earlier wondered why Roslin didn’t take some more of Hera’s blood to cure herself of the cancer again. Babies develop their immune system as they grown in response to attacks on it (and with vaccines which are kind of simulated attacks). When Roslin first takes Hera’s blood it is very new. As Hera is exposed to viruses and develops antibodies in her blood, maybe older Hera’s immune system is changed in such a way that its anti-cancer properties are removed – who knows what the writer was really thinking?

    Earth 1 and Earth 2. The Hitchhiker’s Guide To The Galaxy has an answer to this in their story – Earth 1 is destroyed as part of an urban planning scheme (an interstellar highway is to be built through the system). It transpires that Earth 1 is a supercomputer, and the race commissioning the first one have a new one built. I don’t think that will wash in Galactica though!

    I quite liked the idea that Earth 1 and Earth 2 were both the same planet, but somehow the coordinates that Kara Thrace put into the computer sent them back in time over (I hope or we’re buggered) 150 000 years. However, the more I thought about this the more unlikely it seemed – there has been no evidence of time travel before. Even if that could be explained away in some pseudo scientific way because they were close to the singularity, if I remember things correctly…

    1. Most of the fleet are at the rendevous point.
    2. Only Galactica and the raptors/vipers are at the Cylon ship.
    3. Kara Thrace doesn’t know the coordinates to enter for the rendevous point – so puts in the numbers she’s worked out from the music and Galactica ends up at Earth.
    4. The next thing, the whole fleet is at Earth.

    This must mean that between steps 3 and 4 someone must have jumped from Earth, presumably in a Raptor, since Galactica was a wreck by then and going nowhere, to the rendevous point to give them the coordinates for Earth. If Earth 2 is Earth 1, but earlier, this must mean they can achieve reliable time travel both forwards and backwards, which has never been demonstrated before. The same arguement applies to the singularity sending them to a parallel universe. If they got through, could they reliably flit back and forwards through it!?

    Kara Thrace’s pentecost moment – really don’t buy into the mystical stuff there – but I have a theory (later). However, I did notice immediately after she went, the dream sequence that Adama had of the pidgeon flying out into the light – exactly the same symbolism nicked from Bladerunner when Batty (the Rutger Hauer character) dies. Oops, bit of a Bladerunner spoiler there – but if you haven’t seen Bladerunner by now, well, what can I say?

    One more thing about that moment (rather the flashback preceeding it) – I know that Kara was well know for sleeping around, but it kind of made me feel dirty watching her about to cheat on Zak with Lee in the same room where Zak had passed out on the sofa – for what should have been a spiritual moment, I wish they’d left that bit of her past unsaid.

    The ‘angels’ and ‘god(s)’ – Towards the end they seemed to be kind of like narrators or the ‘chorus’ for a Greek play. Someone earlier suggested that the whole thing was played out in virtual reality. If that is the case, then a lot of things make sense.

    Imagine a ‘Matrix’ type scenario (in fact, the hybrids in the tanks wired up to the ship reminded me of the humans in the ‘real life’ side of the matrix) – this may be too self-referential, but maybe the whole thing is set up for an advanced civilisation’s entertainment. Most of the action occurs with a limited number of people (we only need to process a virtual reality environment of approximately 50 000 characters), and we have the Cylons that we only need to create a few models of and can duplicate as needed within the environment (as happens with Agent Smith in The Matrix) – the God/Gods then simply become the creators of the environment, the Angels can step in and out as required, and be programmed to be visible to only certain people, and if we consider the whole thing to be ‘The Kara Thrace Show’, then she can get to the final pages, say ‘My work here is done’ and be erased from the environment, just like that while the narrators are left to provide the epilogue with a very laboured point!

    I have to admit, I do think that scenario is a huge cop-out, but then again, I think the ‘it’s all a bit mystical and pre-ordained and up to God’ ending was a huge cop-out too!

    • Andrew says:

      Hi Simon, thanks for the comment.

      I agree with you about the similarities between Caprica and Earth. It strains credulity to think that two independent civilizations would have developed in such a straightforwardly alike fashion. Though as you point out, maybe it all came from the strange thought vibrations of the universe! Better yet, maybe Edward James Olmos gave the term “skin job” to Ridley Scott in his small role in Blade Runner because he was particularly attuned that universe-vibration by having Admiral Adama as his ancestor, haha.

      There’s one crazy theory that occurred to me that could explain everything, though it’s pretty dark — similar to your radiation theory. Maybe all of the colonials quickly die off on new Earth due to some sort of disease, and only Hera, due to her crazy hybrid blood, is able to survive and reproduce. Marginally more plausible than the ending they came up with. I’m definitely a fan of Hitchikers Guide, and the connection hadn’t occurred to me.

      Your explanation about Hera’s immunity is an interesting one. I wish they’d at least addressed the topic in the actual show though. You’re also quite correct to point out the problems with the time travel theory. Also, I stopped rooting for Starbuck and Apollo when they were cheating on their spouses. It certainly made it hard for me to support the two of them.

      I like your theory about the ending, but the fact that we have to keep jumping through narrative hoops to try to explain all the weirdness and inconsistencies is indicative of the weakness of the way the show ended.

  52. Chris says:

    “Mitochondreal Eve” was sub-Saharan African. White people really like to make themselves the center of the universe.

  53. Greg M. says:

    BSG was a Bible story from beggining to end. Galactica was “Noah’s Ark”. The WAR was the flood. And Earth was a new beggining for man. The series Caprica attempted to explain WHY humanity had to be wiped out by man. The series tried to explain how the people of the 12 colonies were decadent, violent and enslavers of intelligent life. Worst sin of all….they were idolitors who worshipped false gods. This “idolitry” theme was introduced in BSG as the key backbone of the series using the Cylons as antagonists who’s destiny it was, to punish a wicked godless humanity. Thus, the one true God used man’s “creation” to wipe man out as a lesson, leaving only a remnant to survive. These “children of the ark” would have to be humbled and defeated in order for them to have a spiritual rebirth. Rather to be “born again” on a new planet. A new “Garden of Eden”. The ark existed because it was meant too. The Cylons existed because they were meant too. They Cylons existed on the ark (Galactica): One, because it was unique and seperate from the rest of the fleet and could NOT be infected, thus the Cylons had to set up a fifth column inside it before the attack. Two, because God wanted the Human Remnant (God’s Overcommers) to be humbled, broken and mentally prepared for “rebirth”. The running theme that “This has all happened before” is nothing but a commentary about mankind’s “thick necked” nature in that he in an impossible creature that cannot remain faithful to God and follow His Laws, thus earning the his, rather man’s “wages of sin”….DEATH. A Biblical allegory might be a combination of Original Sin in the Garden of Eden, combined with the Noah’s Ark, combined with the Jews Exodus from Egypt. All three being prime examples of man’s inability to follow the rules, be peaceful and above all, keep faith with the ONE true God. The Angels at the end of BSG could very well be Satan himself and another Angel. Afterall, Satan is mankind’s Accuser before God. Or maybe the Angels were the same Angels that destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah? Irrespective of who these Angels were, it seems their role was to help destroy and rebuild mankind, which it seems is nothing all to unfamiliar to those who understand the Bible. The question the series asks is: Can mankind ever learn not to be such a self-centered, greedy, ego-driven asshole? For me, there were no unanswered questions. The series was brilliant!

    • Greg M. says:

      Just a few corrections: “The series Caprica attempted to explain WHY humanity had to be wiped out by man.” Not wiped out by man, rather wiped out by GOD!!!! Also, I forgot to mention, that the Dead Earth that Galactica came upon probably was a 13th colony, which was destroyed, perhaps along with other populated affiliated planets by their respective “Cylon” abominations. Further, there are probably many other Earths and 12 Colony type civilizations that have been wiped out. Again and again, God rebuilds with a chosen few, always looking for a mankind worthy of final salvation, or perhaps worthy of an immortal existence. We can hate or pity the Cylons for having no soul. However, their only sin is being born. Our sin, is the evil in their creation as a testiment to our “being like a god”. Can either be redeemed? Until such time…..

    • Andrew says:

      I really like your Noah’s Ark explanation. It had never occurred to me before, but it’s a wonderful lens to look at the series through. I like a lot of the themes that the show explored — the nature of man, and of sentience generally, being foremost among them, and you’re right to point out that it was essentially the central question of the whole show. What does it take, and what does it mean, for a being to be “good”? I still take issue with the way they resolved that question, but I definitely like the biblical metaphors as a sort of map to the themes of the show.

  54. Christine says:

    Why did Dualla commit suicide? This has puzzled me.

    I liked a lot of things about BG. The essence of good and evil – how you can be pereceived as a hero or a villain eg Sharon is evil but Athena is a hero for the humans (vice versa for the Cylons). Although, I didn’t enjoy the fact that we were willing for Adama to be rescued from the firing squad and then he goes ahead and has Gayter and the Vice Pres shot. No forgiveness there.

    I also watched the whole thing over a month. The ending puzzled me – it felt as if I had missed a couple of episodes. My worst annoyance was Kara just disappearing and I also felt that Sam was badly used – having to be left to fly the ships into the sun. I thought that the pianist teaching Kara was Daniel – he seemed to just disappear at the piano at one point.

    My husband (a fan of Babylon 5) kept telling me that the Cylons didn’t have a plan (or at least the writers didn’t) and I can’t help but agree. My sympathies were with Gayter and those who did not want to ally with Cylons who had been their constant enemy. I loved Galen – my favourite character and was really upset that he was a Cylon. At least they resolved that the baby wasn’t a hybrid – I kept wondering why they made such a fuss about Hera and not about Nicholas. I was glad when they killed off Callie – at least it stopped her whining.

    It was a great show but unlike Star Trek, Dr Who or Being Human, I don’t know if I can watch it again as I did feel disappointed. Maybe it would have to be an academic exercise of looking for the clues to make sense of the ending.

    Was anyone else really surprised by Jamie Bamber’s real accent in the DVD extras? I totally assumed he was American.

    • Andrew says:

      I’m just speculating here, but my understanding was that after finding the nuclear wasteland Earth, Dualla thought there was no reason to go on. Rather than a moment of severe depression, she wanted to bask in her reconciliation with Lee as her final moment in a life that no longer had any purpose to her.

      A number of people rag on Season 4 of the show, and not without good reason, but I thought the mutiny mini-arc was very well done and likely the high point of the late run of the show. It was full of the comprehensible characterization and interesting perspectives that sucked me into the show in the first place.

      I wrote a follow up article to this one where I talk about how I share much of the same sentiment. It’s frustrating to feel like the writers didn’t know where they were going, and it led to a lot of plot holes and disappointment.

    • gyrfalcon says:

      She read the rest of the script and couldn’t handle it. That’s why she committed suicide.

  55. Idfrackasix says:

    Pretty sure the “one true god” is Satan himself. Always willing to tempt humanity and make them do horrible things to each other. Ex: cheating spouses, not honoring your mother and father, killing each other in mutiny, betrayal from your closest alys, all acts of lucifer…not god.

    • Andrew says:

      That’s a really interesting way to take it that I hadn’t considered. Some events in the show do make me wonder if the god of BSG had some malevolent intentions.

  56. Dave M says:

    BSG – brilliant series, probably the best TV I’ve seen in 50 years but ultimately frustrating.

    IMO we shouldn’t try and doublethink the writers, I believe for whatever reason they simply lost control of the story at the end. Perhaps they simply could not dream up a more satisfactory ending. The best scifi novelists usually pull out a masterstroke of invention as the climax of the ride but perhaps here, for all their great writing along the journey, it was just a step too far.

    Excellent blog and thoughtful comments.

    • Andrew says:

      Thank you very much for the compliments, Dave! I think you hit the nail on the head. The writers were able to build up something great, but couldn’t figure out the right way to cap it off. It’s a shame, because what brought them to that point was so great.

  57. James K says:

    Hey Andrew…really good article and REALLY good series. I’m watching it now for the 5th time I believe. My comment is in relation to Starbuck. I totally believe they should have made her father be that boxed cylon model. The final five even say he was very creative and artistic and obviously her father was creative being a songwriter and piano player. In other words it fit VERY nicely. My question for you and for your readers is….why did the hybrid tell Kara that she was the harbinger of death…”You are the harbinger of death Kara Thrace, You will lead them all to their end.” She obviously didn’t….she lead them all to a new spectacular planet where they were able to create a new civilization (Yes that might be what she meant by “Their End” but where does the Harbinger of death part fit in that statement?). That made no sense to me.

    Another Comment: 4. Did Hera procreate with a caveman? My response to this is going to also include responses to a couple other comments I read about your article. Yes the people of the fleet started over on this new planet….no It does not mean that they gave up the scientific theory. about Hera: She would have lived with her parents to start with and as long as the “cavemen” were not overly hostile maybe they traded with them on occasion and ended up learning from the new arrivals how to make fire, better spears and things, language, mathematics and so on. Although the fleet members split up a bit I don’t think this means they ALL split up and promised never to create any technology ever again. It’s a lot like the ancient aliens theories going around. At any rate Hera after many years trading and teaching the “cavemen” they could have become a civilization of sorts. If not in Hera’s generation then her children and grandchildren would have been raised in that small civilization and eventually yes one of them might have procreated. The cool part about her being the progenitor is that it means that the human race are all now part cyclon.

    5. Do god’s angels lust after mortal beings? I prefer to think that the reason the angels took the form of Gaius and Caprica 6 because prior to meeting each other for whatever purpose both Gaius and caprica 6 had never truly loved anyone. Caprica 6 because she was a cylon and Gaius because he was a sleeze bag. They both saw the angels as their true love because as is commonly said in this show god is love and he loves you just the way you are. To the question about lust I can only say I was not disappointed by it. Tricia Helfer ALONE is a good enough reason for any guy to watch this show (I’m just happy they let us watch). And why wouldn’t they fornicate? If god is love and they love each other I don’t see the problem? It definitely made for some good comedic relief during the darkest moments in the show.

    Religion in BSG: I agree with so many of the comments that religion was a HUGE part of this series from the beginning so it sort of made sense that “God Did It”. The only problem I have with this is it seemed throughout the series that even though Visions and prophecy were a major part…each prophecy seemed to have some substantially human/cylon cause and remediation. Roslyn had cancer and she was the dying leader prophesied but it was her human mistakes and hardheadedness that enabled the fleet to survive not some god or gods. It was not a smooth path as described in Pythia by any means and the humans and cylons had to fight for everything they got.

    3. Why is no one worried about the other bad Cylons out there?
    Yes they are still out there but there was little choice about whether or not they would settle on this new planet.
    1. The crew and fleet are all knackered. It’s been a long hard slog and they are ready to put to feet on solid ground.
    2. The way the Cylons found New Caprica was due to the nuclear explosion they saw while they were about a light year away from the fleet. There was no nuclear explosion which would make it hard to find
    3. People are talking about the cylons searching for 25,000 years to find the new earth. Last time I checked the skin jobs did not have resurrection (the transfer of the data was never completed). I guess the metal cyclons could potentially search for the humans but I thought Cavil lobotomized those (at least in his fleet) ?
    4. The humans on earth split up across the entire globe. I would imagine this was a precaution about the weather as well as a way to make the it more likely that if the bad cylons did come after them some of the fleets humans could survive.

    Anyways…It was a great series and obviously with people still commenting on it after nearly 2 years I’d say its a great article as well.

    Thanks,

    James K

    • Andrew says:

      Thanks for the kind words and the thoughtful comments, James! I definitely thought that Daniel was Kara’s father, and I think a lot of other people did too. I think the harbinger of death thing is just a plothole, but if I’m being generous, one could argue that Kara’s bringing everyone to New Earth was the death of both humans and cylons, and the birth of the new species that Hera is the primogenitor of. To that end, the Hera stuff still has a certain ick factor to me. There’s only so much of a gap that could have been bridged. Again, I get what the writers were trying to do, but I 1. disagree with it and 2. don’t think science works the way they want it to.

      As for the Angel-Human love thing, it’s not that there’s anything inherently objectionable about it. It just strikes me as…odd. Maybe they were going for odd. Maybe, on the other hand, they were making it up as they went along and things seem out of place in retrospect.

  58. Dave S says:

    Having (barely) remembered the original movie & series from when I was a kid, I didn’t want to spoil anything about the new series before watching it. I have to admit I was kind of disappointed with the whole ‘Cylons look like humans’ idea and the religious overtones throughout the show. I found it much more exciting at the beginning just thinking they were being chased by remorseless machines bent on their destruction, rather than another race of ‘people’ we would eventually empathize with. The plotline of ‘this has happened before and will happen again’ made me immediately think of Babylon 5 which I had just finished watching before BSG.

    IMO there would have been nothing wrong in a story about a man made race of robots destroying their makers and chasing them across the galaxy with the sole minded purpose of killing every last one of them, because that’s what a robot would do. Divine intervention & underlying purposes are not always necessary! :)

    • Andrew says:

      I never saw the original BSG, but I have to admit that I do enjoy the fact that they were characterized beyond the “crush, kill, destroy” type of robots, let alone as some sort of wild lizard creatures. I do think they could have been more remorseless–still a separate race but closer to something like the Klingons than human–but I do like that they were largely treated as sentient beings worthy of the same consideration as humanity.

  59. Yiota says:

    I have just finished BSG and I am stunned!
    Since I started watching the series I believed that because of all the strong and mysterious plotlines we’ve seen, we were heading for an unconventional, big bang finale! Boy, I was wrong…Nothing but disappointment and sadness there…
    We see chief Tyrol leaving everyone behind, unable to deal with all that’s happened. Saddest fate ever. He goes to the mountains. Will he survive? Who cares…
    Sorry, but finding this habitable planet starts to look more like a punishment to me than a dream come true.
    We see Baltar not playing any significant role in this new world. No spiritual leader, nothing. His story arc built up to nothing. Fooled, right?
    We see Adama leaving all behind too, even Lee, with whom he finally managed to have a meaningful relationship -right timing, by the way….He decides to spend his days in seclusion……
    Most of the other main characters take also their separate ways. Just like that.
    We are talking of people who throughout the series forged iron bonds, who shared their fears, the pains, their hopes, their lives. The writers of BSG used to say that the series is mostly about relationships. And yet we get to the last episode, where all these values stop existing. Bonds break just like that.
    We see people who used to fight over the air filters of Galactica willing to leave behind all technology, in the name of a fresh start. People who are being scattered all over the planet – with no hope of getting help if something goes really wrong – with nothing more than basic tools I guess. Yes, it’s a harmless planet perhaps, but still, it’s not their planet. It’s new. It’s different.
    As for the Mitochondrial Eve theory, an interesting twist, but previous decisions endanger and limit radically the life expectancy of the colonies, not to mention that the maths here are not right. Mitochondrial Eve (MTE) is not our most recent common ancestor (MRCA) according to scientists. And as MTE lived almost 140,000 years earlier than our MRCA, well…. Everything the colonies fought for, their civilization, their history, all forgotten, all gone. Apollo was wrong…
    Then, we see Lee, losing in a few minutes the two people he loves the most: his father and Kara. That’s it. He is left all alone. To me, his is one of the saddest fates as well…
    We see Kara…….and then we don’t.
    Regarding her relationship with Lee, I always thought that they loved each other too much and although I had come to terms with them being apart, the flashbacks of how they met actually made me think that things perhaps were going to change now. A pleasant change. If not, why bother with all those scenes?
    After they killed her off (why?..) and then put her back on the show, I thought that the nebula she went in could be a doorway to a parallel universe or that it could have something to do with time-travel or something … Why? Because it was a Sci-Fi series and the beauty in that, is that there are almost no limits in what someone can do. Besides, it could answer most of the tough questions.
    Later on, the discovery that there was another Cylon, Daniel, along with Starbuck’s visions-hallucinations, led I believe most of us to think that she was his daughter, fitting with the much acclaimed notion that she was “special”. Hell, she didn’t take “special” from her mother – who never really impressed me as particularly religious – so better off with Cylon-dad.
    Nope. I was wrong. Apparently vanishing into thin air one of the main characters without any explanations, stands out as an amazing solution to all problems. Is she an angel? Sure, why not. Is she a soul who came back to earth to fulfill her mission and then cross over to the other side? (that’s what I think btw) Sure, why not. You figure it out. It’s the frakking last episode and, hey, I’d like some answers? Stop bitching about it. There is a plan.
    You know what? You want to kill Starbuck off finally this time? (again, why???) Ok, fine. Just give her a couple of minutes to say her goodbyes to Lee and us. We all deserve that much. But…no.
    We see head Six and head Baltar who turn out to be instruments of God, or angels or something. Using almost the same justification to their identity as to Starbuck’s. There is a plan. God. That’s it. The solution to all mysteries.
    To use this trick 2 times, to me shows lack of preparation, lack of vision and lack of plan.
    At the end of the day I think that what I hated most about the ending is that there was no Catharsis, no relief. Right from the beginning questions were raised, intrigues and mysteries created a fascinating field for both mental and physical controversies, while every episode renewed promises of well-founded, innovative plotlines. Very strong story, no holes whatsoever. All trials were building up to a finale where Catharsis – not punishment – would finally come.
    Many people saw this as a perfect ending. But to me – and to many others – Catharsis never came. BSG writers lost consistency by forgetting or simply turning their backs on the basic principles of their story, reducing all plotline mysteries to simplistic or even silly tricks (see opera house vision). All led to nothing. Gods, what a shame…
    Andrew thank you so much for letting me get these off my chest (and sorry for writing so much). It’s nice to see I am not alone out there!
    Greetings from the land of Athena, Apollo, Hera: Greece!
    Ps: Funny, I just found an article where George R.R. Martin says he hated the BSG ending because, as his collaborator who prefers Babylon 5 overall says “ B5 delivered on all the promises it made the viewer, it paid off in the end with a strong finale and a resolution in keeping with all that went before”. Unlike our beloved Galactica….Gods.

  60. Paul says:

    Remember at the end of the finale when you see Baltar and Six among a crowd of people and Six eventually says “it’s all part of God’s plan”? Baltar then says “you know it doesn’t like to be called that.” What is “it”?

  61. R says:

    The finale essentially forgoes all of the mentioned plot point resolutions and more, to gain the single last story arc of the survivors being the progenitors of the modern human race. The colonists had to become pastoral and split up into many groups, and even lone wolf settlements, for that to occur. While the pretense that an extremely advanced civilization is responsible for our beginning is an unmistakably cool storyline (especially if you are aware of Sumerian beliefs in our origins), when it boils down, I have a hard time with the trade-offs.

    Like the article author, I have a hard time believing that Apollo’s blithe suggestion for the pastoral life would have been so readily accepted. In addition the the points that the author made, a primary theme of season 4, and I would argue the central theme of the series, was that history kept repeating itself in that the machines kept rising up and warring with humans. The idea was that something had to occur that would stop that cycle. That something would be a change in the approach of both humans and cylons to one another. Such an enlightened perspective is hard won, as we witnessed throughout the series. However, significant progress was made toward this end in the minds of some of the most important individuals in the colony as well as in the minds of the rebel cylons. Cylons were accepted into the fleet and were to cohabitate with humans on the new earth. It is safe to say that this is a significant progress toward a lasting peace that might break the cycle. Therefore, it is nonsensical that Apollo would want to hit the ‘reset’ button on human civilization at this point and erase all of the aforementioned social progress with the machines. Why would the cycle not continue when all afore alluded to knowledge and hard won progress with the machines is lost through the abandonment of their technology and social order? As we saw in the last seen of the last episode, the machines were once again on the cusp of evolution but the humans had no knowledge of the past nor social/moral well from which to draw to deal with the start of the cycle once again. This ignorance of this central plot theme of the series by he writers when they made the trade-off for the colonists role as progenitors of modern humans, is what is so weak to me. The Kara Thrace thing was bad, but this plot foul-up is one that adversely and dramatically affects the backbone theme of the series.

  62. JediPatriot says:

    Sorry – This is long. Skip if you don’t want to read. :)
    1. Everyone would not give up technology. Find 30,000 people who can agree on anything so important (and follow that to conclusion) and I’ll buy you the moon. Not gonna happen. Ever. Note: Scientists discovered a flywheel (ancient) made of stone that has the same design we use in our rockets today)
    2. Starbuck – Killed off. In the old (original) series, it was Apollo (not a call sign, but a name) that was killed off and resurrected. Apollo (linked to Horus in Egyptian mythology, and Jesus in Christian mythology) was brought back from the dead. Why they chose Kara Thrace means that, as writers, they were trying to throw the die-hard fans of the old series a curve ball. Also, possibly, because we are also more interested in women heroes now. Love the character (and the actress) but flawed from the beginning. Over-the-top, but still one of the best characters in the show.
    3. Cylons – What bad cylons? Didn’t the writers tell you that they were written out of existence (finale) like they also wrote the final five cylons into existence (beginning of third season)? The bad cylons, I’m sure, decided to make peace with themselves and become monks on Kobol. Makes as much sense as most of the plots.

    First of all, the government in BSG was based off of the U.S. government. It is a Democratic Republic, not a democracy. The members of the Quorum of 12 represent this clearly. The fact that President (I’m scared of losing power) Roslin enacts “executive orders” shows exactly how corrupt she is. Executive power was given to the President, but not with such force. Executive orders (in our country) are in violation of our Constitution because it gives the executive branch of our government power to create laws and agencies (EPA, Navy SEALS, etc….). She’s not a president, she’s a dictator. In the case of their desperate race to safety from the cylons, it is exactly what they need. A dictator. However, they require an enlightened dictator, which of course, as we all know, has and never will exist in Human form. Adama, in the original series, was in charge. There was very little debate about this, but, in our times (in contrast to the 70′s) we need the conflict in the group to make it interesting (as seen in “reality” tv). We do so love our drama.

    The writers of BSG had no ides where they were going. They admitted as much by saying that they were told to write “show to show” by Ron Moore. Ron Moore admitted that he had no idea that the Cylons were going to have a “final five”. He had to make that up in the 3rd season when Baltar is brought aboard a cylon basestar. Moore said that Baltar would have to see the other models of cylons, unless we were to make several changes. Viola! The final five are now created. Not until the 4th season did they have any idea who the fifth of the final five was. They had ideas, sure, but no solid idea.

    Blood and Chrome – Don’t waste your time. Any canon was ruined by adding Mk III vipers to the Galactica. They also rearranged the Galactica interior with Viper racks (which if they were turning the Galactica into a museum, they would have left here exactly the way she was – See USS Missouri memorial). They also introduce new Cylon basestars which were not in the museum (which would have been). More poor planning (and writing) by the producers and writers. Reason: Hollywood. Need I say more.

    Admiral Cain – I’m a veteran of the U.S. Army. If an officer gave me a morally wrong order, I could refuse the order. A court martial would be brought up, and if I was justified to disobey that order, then the officer giving the order would be brought up on charges. Cain, clearly violated that law by shooting her first officer after giving an unlawful, morally wrong, order. The other officers on that ship, would have (should have) shot her and brought the vipers back into the bay and jumped out of there. Problems like this happen often in Hollywood because they either have no military advisers or poor military advisers. Examples of poor leadership are shown throughout the series. The one good person, who showed that he was the best person capable of command, was Karl “Helo” Agathon. And in order to push a plot (and wreck his credibility), they made him wait for Kara Thrace (who should have NEVER been put in charge of the mission) instead of quickly jumping back to Galactica, dropping off Gaeta, then jumping back to wait (season 4, episode 6).

    Carbon dating – 150,000 years ago? Really? Carbon dating is unreliable at best. We still have no real idea how old our planet is. The speed of light is even slowing down. Our sun goes thru cycles. The Earth (Dirt – yes, we named our planet dirt) also goes thru cycles in accordance with the sun. How old are we really? Who knows. Do we know that black holes really exist? Nope. Still theory. Really.

    To make this already too long comment shorter; There were many plot holes, but there are also inconsistencies in character (which the proudly wrote this series for). Agathon’s great leadership, except when the series needs a mutiny (which one had already occurred with Lee Adama – why wasn’t he shot? Oh right, Son of Zues). Kara Thrace the Angel in Leoben’s eyes, until they find Earth and need a new plot line (a new new earth). Dualla’s amazing rise in rank and amazing mental strength, until they need to shock the viewers with a suicide (seriously – look it up).

    All in all, a great series marred by horrible plot holes, and inconsistent personalities. But then again, I have a strong personality, and I have been thru a lot, and my will overcomes the change that people try to force over me. Maybe I’m too critical. But when I watch a show, and I love a show, and writers destroy that show, I kinda get upset (kinda?).

    Peace

    • James K says:

      The best shows ALWAYS have no idea where they are going. That way they put EVERYTHING they have into each show. Some shows have set in stone lines they must get too and they end up stretching the heck out of what they have to try and get more and more seasons. I would SO MUCH love to see more shows that put everything they have into a show in each episode like they did with BSG.

      If you don’t think that president give executive orders then I would very much like you to check out this page http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/disposition.html which details 39 Executive orders that Obama gave during the year 2009 alone. It also lists all the other years and the presidents executive orders.

      Admiral Cain-You are right. Her orders were unlawful and her crew should have revolted but. . .How many people in reality have ever been on a military spaceship which they believed to be the only ship left of humans in the entire galaxy during a time of war with an alien race who just nuked the 12 colonies and destroyed (you think) all of human civilization. Possibly these soldiers did not want to take on a high ranking admiral during a time of war because they feared they could not take on the mantle themselves. Although her orders were harsh and unfeeling the point of her character was to demonstrate what could have happened to the Galactica if it were not for President Roselin

      Carbon Dating – 150,000 years ago is what they said in the show was when Hera lived. Even if Carbon dating is horribly wrong (and I don’t think it is) they still found Hera’s bones which was the point. Who really cares how old the earth truly is in relation to this show. They researched the best known facts and went with it.

      Yes you are right they could have left to take Gaeta back to Galactica and then returned but in most movies/shows I’m screaming Stop telling the good guy your devious plan and JUST SHOOT THEM Already! My point being that sometimes things in shows are silly but it’s a movie/show and it’s sometimes going to be silly. If it wasn’t sometimes silly then there wouldn’t be any drama at all

      Blood and Chrome – I thought it was a good start to a series. I wish it had been given 1 series at least to try to prove itself. I’m sure it would have made all BSG lovers proud.

      Overall I don’t think you actually like the BSG series at all. Plot holes and all I still think it’s one of the best shows ever.

      • Jedipatriot says:

        Truth is I loved Battlestar Galactica. The first 2 seasons are incredible because it shows a very human side of science fiction. The first time I watched it I lost interest in season 3. The second time I watched it I watched it all the way through. I really wish I hadn’t. There was a reason I lost interest in season 3. Characters in any show are meant to grow and get better as time goes by. With BSG the characters did not get better (morally or ethically speaking).
        Babylon 5, a great show that you where it was going. While the acting and graphics aren’t that good, the overall plot is 1 of the best ever, in a television series.
        Actually I never said that there weren’t any executive orders issued in the United States, what I said was that they’re illegal. Illegal in terms of our Constitution.
        President Roslin is not a good person. Many times she violated the rights of the people that she swore to protect. Like modern day presidents she uses that power to make things go her way. She she would have had Agathon’s child killed except the baby was spared when she found out it could save her life. Even though the child caused no immediate danger to the fleet. Although there was the possibility that the child, sometime in the future, could cause harm to the fleet, there is still no excuse to kill the child now. If that were the case, then because humans have the ability to harm each other, we should get rid of them also. We cannot let fear guide our actions. For someone that used the religious gamble to try to get back in the office (and when that failed she cheated), she had very little faith.

        Peace

  63. Dearie says:

    This was in interesting post, thanks for making it. I like your blog. I’m not sure if you’re still checking in on this, but I thought I’d add my thoughts.

    I just recently saw BSG for the first time and like many others, I felt cheated with the end.

    ** Let me just put in a little disclosure before I begin. I watched the first two seasons with my full attention. After that I really couldn’t get into it, and ended up having it playing on my computer while I was working. (I do artwork for Apps, so it’s quite possible I missed some things while immersed in that.)

    1. These were the people that used their food supply – a survival necessity – and fermented precious grain/fruit/vegetables in oder to have distilled alcohol – a luxury item. But sure, they’ll totally give up indoor plumbing without a fight after that.

    And for the people who argue that maybe they did keep some of their creature comforts and those just dissolved/decomposed/eroded away 150,000 years later I don’t think it’s a very believable. If nothing else, as far as discovery, wouldn’t the synthetic materials – such as clothes – be around? It’s not like decomposition happens with plastic. If you stuck a polyester suit in an undisturbed cave for a million years, I’m pretty sure it’d still be there. It can’t biodegrade to my knowledge, and if the bones of Hera were intact, I doubt photodegradation would have happened either. But then again, maybe they all just dropped dead in the sunlight.

    I guess, taking into consideration the show’s religious undertones, the giving up everything could be seen as a baptism for the characters. Technology was their sin, and in order for that sin to be forgiven they had to destroy all forms of it.

    2. Since the theme of religion was so prominent, I’m pretty sure she was an allegory for Jesus. She was a being with a divine purpose, and after her corporal body was destroyed she “resurrected” in order to come back and save mankind. Kind of a disappointing end to her character.

    I don’t really mind religion in shows and movies when it’s pertinent to the plot/characters, but I felt in this case it was repeatedly shoved down our throats Just. Because.

    I think the theme of religion is more more successfully handled when it’s left as a mystery to the audience. With BSG it’s all ‘God has a pre-determined destiny for you but he also gave you free will but actually because his plan will be carried out no matter what – even if he has to throw in some major divine intervention for it to happen – then really you don’t have free will, you just sort of exist in these set perimeters and have very limited choices that are meaningless in the end.’ Yeah, because that’s rewarding.

    An example is how Roslin died of cancer. It seemed the only reason that happened was because the writers had made the prophecy about a dying leader who would lead them to earth but perish before they settled. So, since god said it was gonna happen, it happened. Pretty lame IMO.

    3. I guess it’s no longer in God’s plan for them to be bothered by the cylons?? Lazy writing for sure. But with the consideration of how big space is, probability of the cylons just happening across them would be incredibly small. If you want to try to explain it away in that manner.

    4. Yeah, disturbing for sure. Guess she got her freak on with a caveman, everyone’s got a type. Hopefully it was less like a rape, and more like a Jane/Tarzan moment where there was complete consent on both sides.

    5. This one is weird because (I’m pretty sure) traditional Angels don’t even have a gender. I guess lust isn’t considered a sin in this religion’s cannon, either. Maybe they’re fallen angels. Maybe they just have needs.
    I suppose she was just Gaius’ fantasy woman, and that meant being really sexual.

    6. This one bothered me the most! As in I just want to caps lock rant every time I think ABOUT IT SO HERE I GO- no I’m kidding.
    But Galen was one of my favorite characters. I really enjoyed his introductory struggles in regards to his relationship with Boomer. He loved her, he believed in her, he protected her in the water sabotage trail, and when he found out she was a Cylon, he felt betrayed and angry at himself for still feeling love for her.
    I thought the writers really had a golden opportunity to continue to make interesting subplots for these two characters. Obviously she wasn’t going to go running back to the Galatica when her last memories before dying were of people shouting hate slurs at her and being shot, but I do think there could have been some forced interaction eventually. I’m not usually a shipper or anything, but I was rooting for Boomer and the Chief, in a weird way. And I had my hopes raised when it showed her back with the Cylons obviously still attached to Galen, but then we get a flash forward and he’s married to Cally for reasons we don’t even get to see/know, and Boomer’s character ends up having a disappointing finally as well. After Boomer, he never really had a deep connection with anyone else. I felt there was no real resolution for either of these characters, and considering they were two of the best actors of the bunch, I felt it a waisted opportunity. Even if those two never saw each other again, their separate potentials really didn’t seem to be met.

    7. Since God just seems to be copy-pasting the starter worlds in this endless cycle, I guess dogs and cats get to stay. Just like he keeps apparently setting up starter humans, he’s probably throwing in those big cats, and the wolves too. In a similar vein, why did Gaius have a british accent? Why did they all speak english, a language that would apparently die out, then eventually be recreated out of other languages later? (With the exception of fracking becoming fu*king, but you know, it can’t be perfect because there’s still that freewill, right?

    But in the end, the creators did themselves a favor by making such a cruddy ending since it was a way for the show to gain longevity, and be talked about/debated long after it had aired.

    I’m sorry this comment was so long, I’m kind of ashamed of myself for proving that I suck when it comes to restraint. It’s because of no sleep, and the fact that I’m crazy.

    Thanks again for writing about this topic!

  64. Thorbjørn says:

    This is how it should have ended: At the end it should have been revealed that everything was VR, and that in the real world, after eons of wars, deaths and tragedies between humans and cylons, a group of people had rounded up the human and cylon survivors (more humans than cylons, explaining why the cylons was populated by copies) and plugged them all into this VR, that simulated in hyper speed a real universe with humans and cylons that stimulated their brains in such a way that they could live thousands of lives inside the VR while very little time passed outside it..

    The purpose of this would be to keep simulating the cycles of life, evolution, technical evolution, sentient computers, inevitable war, and then, hopefully learning from their mistakes an ending the war instead of ending eachother.

    The two leaders of this VR movement would be Gaius and Caprica Six, who would then appear in the virtual universe themselves, to gently prod things in the right direction, so as to prevent every cycle of life and war from going the same way, and by intervening here and there, eventually produce enlightenment in the cylons and humans connected to the VR, with the purpose of then waking them up and continuing in the real world to create a peaceful existence together.

    To encourage free will, the real Gaius and Caprica Six would only appear as “guides” (the angels) while their simulated counterparts would have their own will, so that man- and cylonkind could learn their lessons from experience, and not just by being told. It falls a little on its face because they were intervening quite directly, but perhaps they had simply found that this was necessary, because in previous attempts the cycles of war and destruction had been continous without change.

    The ending should have been all of the crew of galactica, and the cylons, waking up from the VR: Simulation, to see that they were all still alive, Adama and Roslin would have been re-united, and so on with all the dead, and the great finale would be real Gaius and real Caprica Six telling them all how they had finally reached a level of enlightenment where they no longer ended up destroying each other, and were now ready to populate the universe together.

  65. Jabroni says:

    Everyone’s a critic evidently.

    Here’s why the ending was awesome.

    You, me, the guy next to me, the people next to you…..
    WE’RE CYLONS OR AT LEAST REMNANTS OF CYLONS!

  66. Rashid says:

    Lol, i got another lovely theory, cylons who left in peace after final after, became transformers, hehe ..

  67. Nicole says:

    I think that the black hole at the end has something to do with finding earth. They jumped through the black hole and found themselves hundreds of thousands of years back in time. Kara went through it before hence her two selves and why she disappeared. Earth is the same earth there is just a lot of time and space jumping so it appears different. Kara, Six and Baltar are all reflections and images of old and new selves after and before the cylon attacks. There is no god, just the hope of one, that drives everyone to continue to exist.

  68. Chris says:

    My friend lent me all of BSG and I watched them all within a matter of months and fell in love with the show; praising the challenging themes it brought up in each episode and, being a fan of Lost, enjoying another series that builds up many mysteries and questions. However, like Lost, I was bitterly disappointed at the ending to BSG, and I am so glad that I am not the only one. As soon as the credits hit, I googled and Wiki’d if I was the only one who hated but, after reading around, I can clearly see I’m not the only one. It’s so frustrating after knowing the ending to then go back and see all the other series fall apart and plot threads that at first seemed intriguing now seem superfluous and irrelevant. Completely tainted my love of all the past seasons. I have yet to see ‘The Plan’ although I doubt that will serve any purpose now anyway. Completely agree with every area you raised. I was actually digging the episode in terms of the space battle but to me it started to fall apart right around the time that the ‘Opera House Vision’ was coming true. The closure of Starbuck however is the area that I was most annoyed at. The fact we got no explanation at all really really makes me angry to my core.

    I am a video editor and in my spare time also like to make fan edits of things I consider to be bad or average that with a little more vision could have been great or at least good. I am seriously considering making a fan edit to the final episode but I don’t know what I could cut or add in. If you have any suggestions I would love to hear them and I can try and cut something together, although I don’t know if it’s just unsalvageable. Maybe removing the scene of where they get rid of all their technology, removing the line of implying that Adama is leaving to live on his own, cutting just before Starbuck disappears into thin air (granted, still no closure to her character but it would imply she lives the rest of her days with Lee), getting rid of the line about Hera being ‘Eve’, in the final epilogue. It would still have problems but it might eliminate some of the problem areas. I was also trying to think of another ending I could cut. After Starbuck punches in the code and they jump to Earth, maybe flashing to white and going straight to the final epilogue of Head 6 and Head Baltar? This would imply that many years have passed and could be interpreted that it is no our Earth but could be any planet (with our Earth being the one shown at the end of Season 4). This would remove the 2 Earth’s inconstancy.

    I’m open to suggestions so I can try and create a new ending that is worthy of concluding an otherwise great series.

  69. Chris says:

    *inconsistency

    Frakking auto-correct :P

  70. Tom says:

    Not that most people will care, but I’ll preface my post by telling this about myself: I am a very loosely “religious” person (if I can even be called religious at all). I don’t really go to church, and take very loosely from the Bible. I am very into physics, and my concept of God or some type of higher being is much more scientific based.

    With that said, I loved the ending (if not every bit of it, at least the general theme/message). Obviously, the pagan religion of the humans was meant to be viewed as somewhat “primitive” compared to the Cylons’ monotheistic faith, but even their faith proved to be much less than perfect in the end … I thought it was just beautiful how all these views – the Lords of Kobol, the Cylon God, the seemingly atheistic Baltar we grew to knew at the beginning of the show – turned out to be wrong. In my opinion, that’s the beauty of the idea of a God: to think that one faith could know all the answers of a Creator is just arrogant, and I love how BSG showed that. All of these competing groups thought they best knew the way to Earth/survival, yet it was an undefinable, divine order that guided it all (much how I view the Laws of Physics). Could Starbuck have been explained better? Sure … but then you’d all just be here b*tching about their explanation!! I think there’s something admirable in what they did, and it’s definitely no less ridiculous to just say, “Oh, Kara is from an alternate universe” than it is to say “Kara was a working agent of God.” Both require a leap of faith.

    I, too, thought that the final scene might have been a tad cheesy, but who cares? All in all, a great show with a great message.

  71. Adam says:

    I am another who was disappointed with the ending. With regards to Kara’s ending, In my mind Resurrected Kara and New new earth are alternate / parallel realities to the 12 colonies and scorched earth. When Kara punched in the code to jump the ship, she accepted that there’s a higher power other than the lords of kobol. Therefore when galactica and the fleet made their final jump, the higher power guided them to what I’m calling ‘alternate earth’.

    This explains why the constellations are the same between the two “earths” and why evil cylons will never find them. Also, and this is a stretch, could explain why Kara disappeared. if they are alternate realities then ressurected kara would be from the future of alternate earth and she disappeared due to paradox theory ( ie so she cant pollute her own future). Just my little theory, with no evidence to support, but as an agnostic it helps me make sense of the finale.

    One bit I didn’t get, what was the relevance of the flash back to Lee and Kara’s almost hooking up next to a paralytic zack? And the bird in Lee’s apartment? Did I miss some symbolism there?

    For me a better way to finish the show would’ve been a). Have them find earth a few episodes earlier. B) “land” the ships on the surface of the sea forming “Atlantis”. C) THEN have lee declare that all tech should be ditched d) then finish the show with the mutiny story line caused by dissent over the threat of losing all the tech. E)finish the mutiny story line with “Atlantis” getting nuked by the pro lee side (alluding to our current day myths and legends regarding the sunken city.

    I’ve always found it quite intuitive that the characters in the show, with their callsigns (Athena, Hera, Apollo) were hinted at being the inspiration literally or allegorically for the Greek Olympian gods in western culture. Zeus even goes to Olympus with Roslyn. A play on these themes might’ve been nice.

  72. Adam says:

    Also, massively disappointed with Lee’s ending. “I’m gonna go explore!” Ok, with what? It’s a massive leap to believe that aswell as being ace pilot, military officer, lawyer. Politician then president he’s also a hardcore survivalist. As if he’s never gonna see his dad again, and without Kara he really doesn’t seem to have any friends. Was my favourite character, but then again so cyclops was my favourite of the xmen, (similar characters in my eyes) and he’s being ruined in the last couple of years so go figure.

  73. Hunter says:

    Hi guys, I’m late here but it’s my third time watching the whole series. Most of my friends don’t understand the show but those of us here completely do (as fans). It’s about time to lay out my thoughts on this fantastic space opara.
    I truly enjoyed the show as a whole and the ending, “God did it” made sense, even if the writers didn’t know that “God did it, God wills it” was coming until season 4 writing began. haha.
    In my mind, I take the idea true of Kara being an angelic being, and angel; and taking the role of the “Jesus” figure and also maybe a “Noah” figure as well. Not to push biblical reference but it seems to pull in this direction… Kara-Noah leads the few remaining survivors/refugees to a new land; one that God laid out for them. Remember that the Flood covered the whole Earth and Noah settled on new land once the waters got low enough for land to appear.
    What if the story kind of worked out that way? The BSG God wiped away most human life in wake of their sins to start anew. The BSG fleet all that’s left in search of a new home. They find “Earth” but it’s completely destroyed. At Daybreak Part 3, they jump to what is named “Earth”.
    This new Earth happens to be the same, destroyed Earth that the 13th Colony founded but BEFORE the 13th Colony arrives, but in an alternate universe/omniverse. That could be how Kara couldn’t stay “paradox”… And/or it’s the same Earth, but before the 13th Cylon Colony but the Cylon 13th never colonizes it. Instead, it’s the BSG refugees with their Final-Five Cylon sounterparts living happily ever after as we see 150,000 years later. “All of this happened before…in an alternate universe… but it doesn’t have to necessarily happen again”
    That was alot. What do y’all think?

  74. jack says:

    Late to the party. But I’m glad I found this – you’d be stunned (or would you?) by how impossible it is to find any clear explanation for the true story. Which I’ve just watched from start to finish, so many years later. May I comment?
    - Andrew. A gentleman blogger! Astounding. Seriously. Literate and considerate.
    - I had SO, so many issues with the writing, and I do mean in terms of character and story development. Biggest beef: by the end of 3, there is serious momentum in place regarding Cylons, God, visions, etc., and it’s absurd that at this point so much would be given to the frakking Quorum garbage. Although anything that kills off Zarek, an utterly pointless and annoying waste of time from intro to finish, is good.
    - This connects to the bizarre switch in Lee. Suddenly, politics? You’ve flown among the stars, the universe is now opening up as never before, and you’re intent on establishing decent representation in a farce of a government?
    - Took ridiculously long for the major characters to begin to comprehend that Cylon and human were the frakking same, essentially. Seriously. They played the irritating Toaster! Skin job! card to crazy lengths. Which goes to…
    - Bad writers, bad. Kara returns with a vision and Laura, semi-prophetess herself, does not even entertain the possibility of it as valid, even as she’s chasing down her Opera House dreams as literal????
    - The resolutions. Wait – which ones? Sloppy. Unclear. One gets the strong sense that the writers had no cohesive structure and winged it, big-time. YES, I’ll accept divine influences. But the jumble of backstories was too much: colonies, Earth, cylons, humans fleeing, cylons fleeing, who goes where, etc., etc. Honestly, I am somewhat intelligent and I followed this carefully, but I still have no clear notion of the 13th tribe. Let alone the time frames jumping from 2000 to 4000 to 150,000 years. As noted – sloppy.
    - Be grateful I’ve forgotten a million annoyances and irrational moments defying character. Here’s two: when Kara’s after the arrow and Sharon suddenly abandons Helo, he accepts Kara’s conviction that, as a skin job, Sharon was using him. Nuts. He was already absolutely sure of Sharon’s love and he would have resisted, saying only that she must have had a reason for what she did. Or: the lameness when Athena shoots the Six and Tigh (aka Ahab) orders the troops escorting Six to stand down. Huh? The Six is doing nothing but accepting Hera’s embrace and there’s a gun directed at her forehead. Why would he let this take its course? Lots of othersbut, again, memory draws her merciful curtain.
    - Yea, gods. Did they really need to devote an episode to the ‘mystery’ of Lee being the perfect replacement president?
    - The Gilligan’s Island factor of there always being tons of clothes and booze (in lovely bottles) on BG. Which ship does this manufacturing?
    Thanks for the rant space, and thanks for corroborating that I’m not alone in being dissatisfied. The series had some great moments, truly, but my ultimate reaction is that too many extraneous and weak scenes/episodes destroyed it.

  75. Chiswick Singh says:

    I’ve just finished watching the whole BSG series on LOVEFiLM (UK) and was hooked and enthralled from beginning to end.

    There’s been much discussion on this (excellent) forum, with some fantastical suggestions, diatribe, prose and rhetoric. I certainly agree with most of the postings here and the series has indeed left some emotive questions and “what if” analysis of sorts…

    …but in some vacuous way I’m not afraid to admit that…

    I still didn’t get it! (Please don’t laugh) :-)

    • breckerdorn says:

      There’s a lot that is un-gettable, so don’t feel silly. If it were all clear, or had definite answers, there wouldn’t be so many discussion threads arguing about it :-)

  76. jack says:

    Y’know – I didn’t get it either. Oh, sure, the whole cycles of destiny (pounded into the ground), the potentials of humans for whatever. That’s all grand. I just wish I had some solid ground somewhere. As in; I’ve scoured the net, read Moore’s remarks, and there’s no clarity anywhere on the 13th tribe. Depends who’s speaking, really. Or the original agenda of the Five, beyond resurrection technology. Who could give birth, who couldn’t, and why? Same with the Cys as ‘machines’. Six’s spine glows red during sex, but nobody can biologically differentiate between Cylon and human?
    As I ranted, I object to writer/arc carelessness, and it inevitably expanded as the show finished. A few more Season 4 things that I found laughable:
    - Scumbag Zarek tells two marines to shoot the Quorum and they’re all over it. In a flash, two trained soldiers slaughter 12 unarmed people sitting at a table? When we’ve seen evidence even in the show that soldiers have their limits with certain orders?
    - The finale. It’s too much to expect that Galen would so freak over Tory that he’d snap her neck in rage. YES, he’d be blown away. No, he wouldn’t be pleased. But Galen a) was blatantly ambivalent about Cally and b) had gone through too much to react like that to a knowledge of the crime and b) was NOT that sort of character. This so bothered me as only a means to bring on the showdown.
    - More character absurdity: as I watched, I felt it was insane that Cavill would listen to Baltar’s theological musings. Not for one second, unless it was to buy time for a scam. Cavill was presented as utterly dismissive of such things. He mocks his ‘mother’s’ similar thoughts, but is suddenly transfixed by Baltar’s insight? Far better to have had Saul toss the bone of resurrection, which is a concrete advantage he can drool over.
    Again, and forgive me, the show went off badly, a lot. There were fine scenes and moments throughout. But it became increasingly clear that the writers were pulling whatever out of their asses to wrap it up, and long before that they ignored the character dimensions they’d created.

    • JaxSky says:

      I agree with everything you wrote, Jack. And with Andrew’s original post. Hugely disappointing and sloppy work by the writers.

    • breckerdorn says:

      Your complaints here are pretty easily resolved with real-world common sense:

      1. Zarek’s marines. Humans are not identical from one to the next, don’t respond to events identically from one to the next. Some servicemen commit horrific acts when in a hostile environment, but not all. Some obey every order without question, occasionally some don’t. Soldiers have their limits, yes, but you can’t presume to know the limits of every character. And Zarek would only issue that command to soldiers he knew would follow it — if they wouldn’t do it, Zarek wouldn’t have asked THEM.

      2. “It’s too much to expect that Galen would so freak over Tory” You’re asserting a level of knowledge of how a cylon who has lived under the belief he’s human, and recently found out otherwise, would act. You’re assuming his response to the discovery of Tory’s actions, in a tense environment, would be easy to predict and would be consistent with his existence while he believed himself to be human. And you underestimate the way humans often appear indifferent to people they love UNTIL they are lost — and then a revelation like Tory’s could easily trigger a violent response, in a human, and surely in a cylon…I mean if you’re going to assume something about cylons, instant merciless justice would be more plausible than human-like patient reflection.

      3. Cavil wasn’t “transfixed” — you really answered your own question. He was in a standoff, so all he could do was listen and wait for an angle. He was surrounded — what was he going to do? Start yelling “you’re crazy”? And half of what he said was with a sarcastic tone, so he clearly only cared as much as the concepts would help him secure safety (or advantage) for his “people.”

  77. James says:

    I’d like to point out that a human group, or society can evolve in two ways. The human itself, via DNA, and via society through the collection of knowledge and customs.

    This means a group of humans can look primitive, but be completely the same as another group with the same DNA but highly technological group of humans.

    The one thing I don’t buy is the new group of humans not being able to talk. We are seeing more and more species that communicate. But it’s still possible that humans once had the ability to communicate, but still didn’t yet have a language. I think it would have been a short time, but thats just a guess.

    My only problem with the show was all the “God” stuff. But I suppose you could look at it as not being God, but advanced aliens watching over us. I suppose they might be considered God if they could do the things the show suggests.

  78. Patrick Ho says:

    I just finished watching BSG and read this and most of the comments. I just wanted to add another thing about them abandoning their ships.

    What about the ship captains? No doubt many of them are just as attached to their ships as Adama was to Galactica. If I was one of the ship captains and loved my ship to death, I sure as hell wouldn’t let some crazy baldy in a bathtub fly it into the Sun.

    • Patrick Ho says:

      And that’s also not to mention all the people who require constant medical care. Laura could hardly be the only person of nearly 40000 people to have had cancer, and removing the means to make and give medicine of all kinds (which undoubtedly requires a lot of tech and machinery) is a death sentence.

      • Patrick Ho says:

        And again, not to mention that the new Earth should have new diseases and such that none of the colonists would have immunity to. What then? Makeshift herbal remedies would hardly be of any use.

        Average lifespan would fall back down to below 30 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy). I doubt that everyone who fought so much for their freedom would easily accept a greatly reduced lifespan.

        • Biff says:

          Spot on Patrick, and it’s why so many people are so disappointed with the ending of BSG. The story was badly warped by Ronald Moore to fit the Mitochondrial Eve (MTE) scenario, as Brad Templeton explains:

          “Moore decided that he wanted to set the show in the past, and that he wanted Hera, the human-Cylon hybrid child, to be the ancestor of all humans living today …. However, if you are going to set the show in the past, 150,000 years ago is a poor choice. It’s way too early. It is over 100,000 years before the real flowering of our culture sometimes referred to by anthropologists as “The Great Leap Forward” (GLF.) (this cultural flowering) definitely didn’t come in a big burst around the time of MTE, as might be the result of a sudden colonization by advanced alien cousins.

          This requires that the colonists left no trace of what they were. This in turn demanded that the colonists destroy all their technology and quickly become a simple society. This is the element that many fans found least believable about the ending. There were, at best, just a few hints of this sort of political desire among the colonists. If this was to be the ending, there should have been more foreshadowing of it, with presentation of a powerful Luddism movement among the colonists. But even with such a movement, as Lampkin says, there should have been far more objection. All those of any advanced age or with any history of illness would have something to say about sending all the hospital facilities into the sun, if nobody else would.

          However, to fit the timeline, this had to be done. Any space-faring society would have left remnants of itself on the Moon and in space. The complete destruction of the fleet made sense in terms of the way the story was warped, but did not make sense in terms of being a believable action of all the characters.”

          I thoroughly recommend the Brad Ideas battlestar blog, a very in-depth review of the ending.

  79. nja says:

    I’ve just finished watching in binge mode and agree with a lot of what’s been said. One question and one observation:
    Weren’t the cylons originally limited in their lifespan to 3 years? Or am I misremembering that? If so, how will procreation actually work? Is that ever explained

    I kept thinking of the Israelites coming out of Egypt — 40 years in the desert and being purified of their slave mentality – it isn’t a perfect fit, but it kind of works with Kara as leader (remember Moses couldn’t enter the promised land), maybe better than with the Noah analogy…

    all in all depressing – I found myself thinking they were all going to die on the final mission and then depressed when they didn’t. sigh.

    Back to real books!

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  81. Dylan says:

    I’m very late to the party having only finished watching BSG a couple of days ago, but almost immediately after watching the final episode I started searching to see if other people had felt the same way I did. I have to say I felt incredibly sad about the whole thing, but not necessarily for the same reasons as everyone else!

    Apologies for the length of this post. I have a lot to get off my chest.

    —-

    I guess it’s been four years now since the series ended, and two years more-or-less since you wrote your original blog post, so I understand entirely if you’re not reading these replies any more. But I’d still like to add my thoughts.

    1. Why would everyone give up technology?

    I’m sort of with you on this one. It seems like too much of a pragmatic answer to it all, and it was decided far too easily in the episode. No discussion or arguing is shown in the episode at all, but I’m sure it must have happened—I’d just like to have seen it at least a scene or two.

    2. What the hell is Kara “Starbuck” Thrace?

    This one for me felt like a natural ending. We weren’t sure what she was, and maybe we were supposed to come to our own conclusions? I’d like to think that she was some sort of angel or something, but that’s probably me trying to create something happy from it all—perhaps this clashes with question 5? The way she disappeared, leaving Lee alone, felt like it was the way it should have happened—I’m so glad they didn’t show Lee crying afterwards though as that would have been too much.

    I totally agree that maybe they placed too much on the “what am I?” question throughout the season, and perhaps they shouldn’t have seeing as we never got the answer, but I think if they hadn’t had her doubting her own existence (or at least doubting what she was) then perhaps it wouldn’t have worked so well as a story as we wouldn’t have been left wondering.

    3. Why is no one worried about the other bad cylons out there?

    For me, I never gave this a second thought until reading it on your blog. I’m guessing that as the colony was destroyed (although we didn’t really see this) that a large faction of the bad cylons went with it. Cavil certainly went, and as there was no resurrection ship any more, he wasn’t coming back—as he was the ringleader perhaps the others would be left without anyone to push forward his “plan” and would either a) succumb to the good cylons; or b) make peace with the good cylons that left on the base ship at the end of the episode. You mention Cavil having copies—but as the series showed although all the cylons were copies of an original, they didn’t all share the same memories or thoughts, so it’s entirely plausible that the other Cavils weren’t hell-bent on the destruction of humanity but just went along with it?

    Whilst we’re on this point, I think the decision to not make it 100% clear that the colony got sucked into a black hole by cutting that scene was one of the worst decisions the editor made. We’re left to wonder whether it was truly over, though RDM says that it was destroyed we never got to see it.

    4. Did Hera procreate with a caveman?

    This one has me pretty confused. At first I thought, okay so her genes ended up in the human gene pool through one way or another, but the more I think about it, then more it just sounds silly.

    She can’t possibly have produced children with cavemen without the episode ending sourly—it’s just wrong on far too many levels. The only sensible thing to think is that the colonial humans were H. Sapiens and the natives were Neanderthals, and as we know the latter didn’t survive. As you say, this isn’t a pleasant outcome either.

    5. Do god’s angels lust after mortal beings?

    For me, this one is easier to swallow. At the end, in the New York scene, Head Six and Head Baltar essentially say that the entity they’re working for doesn’t like to be called “God”, so to me it’s an easy jump to say that they weren’t angels of god as in the Judeo-Christian belief, but something else—what that “something else” is, I don’t know, but at least it frees my mind from the thought of angels copulating with mortals as they weren’t angels in the familiar sense.

    6. What happened to Galen Tyrol?

    I honestly didn’t notice at first that he didn’t get a mention at the end of the episode, but having thought about it, I’m more than a little disappointed that he essentially just vanished without explanation. He definitely had the hardest time throughout the series and was possibly one of the best characters in it, if not only because of all the hardships and inner-conflict that he had to endure. I watched it on Netflix (UK) and I don’t remember seeing anything about him going to Scotland, and as you say we never find out if there were any repercussions to him strangling Tory. It feels like this ending was unintentionally left open.

    7. What about Lampkin’s cat and dog?

    I don’t think this is much of a problem for me. The cat was dead ages ago, but I presume that the dog was still alive at the end. I also presume that he wasn’t the only person with a pet, so it’s entirely possible that the pets that came with the colonials devolved into the ancestors of today’s modern equivalents. Either that or the pets they had just looked like our cats and dogs, but in fact weren’t remotely similar. Things like that have happened on Earth even, eg. bears and pandas, which look so similar but are genetically totally different animals.

    —-

    Overall, I really didn’t mind the “God did it” sort of ending. I can accept that for what it is. The thing that really bugged me about it, and is still really getting to me three days later, is the finality of it all. The settling on Earth, the getting rid of the technology, the “150000 years later” bit—it all left no real space to revisit the characters again. That really upset me somehow, and I found it really difficult to accept that there really is no possibility of a spin-off sequel, only prequels (which seem to get cancelled anyway).

    I have to say that I really enjoyed the series, all four seasons, and I don’t think that any other sci-fi show has ever moved me so much—as you say it was “very human”. There were a couple of scenes during its run that got to me:

    1. After Tigh kills Ellen, and then they’ll all rescued from New Caprica, Adama says something along the lines of “you brought them back” and Tigh replies “not all of them”. That was one of the saddest scenes I’ve ever watched and really made my heart sink.

    2. In the finale, when Adama and Roslin are sitting in the grass looking at the antelope. I know she hadn’t died at this point, and wouldn’t until the scene on the raptor, but this really cut me up. I’ve never cried watching a TV show before, but this scene had tears streaming down my face. It was just so saddening.

    Still, I really enjoyed the series and am sad that I got to the end and there’s nothing after it. I’d really like to see more of the characters, but as I said it was all final and I can’t see how it could be done—I’m really yearning for more.

  82. Colin says:

    I’m sorry but this article is horrible. First I only cared about 2 of your questions and two you didn’t answer anything you made horrible assumptions.

    • James says:

      Have to say this article has inspired discussions for just about 2 years now which is quite an accomplishment and the title “7 Big Questions About Battlestar Galactica’s Finale” never implied he was going to answer the questions. All we have is our assumptions because the series ending was what it was.

  83. Adam Moore says:

    All reasonable gripes, but having just rewatched the final season, I’m satisfied with the answers I’ve used to fill in some of the blanks.

    Kara Thrace for example, we can discuss the word we use to describe her, angel, demon, emissary, Cylon, but it doesn’t matter. She was an instrument for the higher intelligence. When she was destroyed, she was recreated by the higher intelligence. The hybrids are connected to this intelligence, they repeatedly predict the future, and as Sam in his hybrid form states to Kara in their last exchange: “I’ll see you on the other side”.

    This indicated to me that whether human or Cylon, everyone resurrects in another dimension, plane of existence, heaven, call it what you will, again, the describing word doesn’t really matter. All that matters is that it doesn’t end.

    I too thought the writing was lazy at times, (Elen Tighe should have regenerated into a much younger body if we are to believe she’s known Saul and Bill for decades) but I thought the “God did it” ending was ballsy. Also, I read somewhere that the “Eve” reference at the end was one possible ending, they also filmed an ending where scientists were digging up a 150,000 year old Raptor. This would have been better for me as I don’t like to think Hera dies so young, and I also don’t believe they’d find her remains (a one in a billion chance, surely?).

    One thing I never really got was why Hera was so important. Genetically, I’ve assumed Cylons are identical to humans, otherwise why wouldn’t a simple DNA test serve as a Cylon detector? So why is Hera so important? Genetically, why would she be Eve as opposed to any other breeding age female on nu-Earth? Athena and Helo weren’t genetic mutants, so presumably any Sharon model could get pregnant given the right circumstances?

    Al in all, a good series, I’ve only seen the UK DVD boxset ending, with the Chief going to the highlands and Saul forgiving him for killing one of the final five.

  84. R2C says:

    I just finished watching the series in Netflix. Truly awesome! One of the best shows ever made!

    As for the Finale. . .I’m not really bothered by Kara just disappearing without a trace. It was implied many times that she was an angel or agent of God. That and Anders told her “see you on the other side.” So I assume that’s exactly where she went–the “other side,” the next level/plane of existence, or heaven, etc.

    And I’m not so bothered with all the humans (and Cylons) deciding to leave their most of their technology behind. After living on ships for 4 years (and for the Cylons, living on basestars and the “colony” space station for what 40 years. . .I presumed they’d be happy to live on a real world with grass, trees, rivers, a blue sky–even without many of the “modern comforts”. Besides, they didn’t really ditch all tech, we do see Admiral Adama kept a Raptor, who knows what other tech the other humans or cylons kept with them.

    The other “bad” cylons out there probably would stop looking for the humans or “traitor” cylons after their main leader (the original John Cavil) commited suicide. Yes, he has copies, but it was this original one that wanted revenge/retribution on the humans for enslaving the original “toaster” cylons. He was the one who wanted to wipe out humanity.

    The few things that did bother me was:

    1) Yes, letting the centurions go their own way was a good idea, but they should have wiped from the computers any trace of the jump coordinates of new Earth.

    2) The fate of Boomer. She did good in the end. And yes, while she did shoot Adama, it was her sleeper agent programming that made her do it and she seemed quite regretful of that. I hoped she and Tryol would have ended up together, but no, Athena had to shoot her just after she gives Hera back.

    3) Baltar is never punished for the evils he has done. Yes he supposedly is another “agent of God” but really, a lot of things he did was pure selfishness and resulted in the destruction of who knows how many. I’m not even talking about him giving Caprica Six access to the the colonial defense system–he was unaware at that time she was a Cylon and merely thought she was a corporate spy. But he did willingly FREE another Six who was know to have killed humans. AND then he voluntarily sends a working nuclear device to this same Six, who then uses it to blow up the Cloud 9 ship and several other nearby ships. Than and he hid the true results of his cylon detector test from the Galatica authorities. He knew who were cylon agents on the ship, but he kept that to himself for pure selfish purposes.

    4) This one is nitpicking, but I mean 150,000 years is a long time to keep old knowledge and pass it along eventually to our civilization (ie: the Greek/Roman pantheon, the Zodiac, the concept of One God, colonial fashion [suits & ties, etc.], colonial military tradition [the hand salute, ranks], etc. etc. etc.) — this implies some of the colonials and cylons formed some secret societies that kept the ancient knowledge & traditions alive for 150,000 years!

  85. Valentin says:

    What did you expect,that a TV show would answer the biggest questions of life? cmooon…

  86. will says:

    just before it first came out i posted on the sci fi channel a thread that took off
    about they needed to end this one better then the original that they should find
    earth in our future to say we are the thirteenth colony they find us in the future and
    its all good or you could have a great plot for a new show
    that was my suggestion …

    now in my opinion in general idiots run things and keep a few smart
    people around to do the work till they decide to intervine and screw it up

    well they must have read it and said
    lets do just the opposite and F**( it all up
    the end of this show was terribly butchered worse then the original

    my opinion of that moore guy changed to Moorron status
    you cant even recomend this show because how bad the end is

  87. Ralph Fontcuberta says:

    Years later, and we’re still watching it, rewatching it, and still discussing it. It’s got all the hallmarks of good, if not great, science fiction, as well as good, if not great, drama. I always loved the show because it made me think outside the box of my normal thought processes. I’m oversimplifying, but that’s what it is.

    Regarding Kara; I always thought she was an unrealized — in terms of the writers of the show — archangel of the Ship of Light (as known in the original BSG), aka The Seraphs: . If you read the background @ Wikipedia, you’ll see a lot of info that could very much apply to Starbuck.

    And since the show leaves more than a few things open, and lets us decide for ourselves what some things mean, I’ve decided Kara = Archangel. “As you now are, we once were; as we now are you may yet become.” Modify that statement a bit, and it would have been great to have her say that at the very end, just before Apollo turns and she’s gone, apparently forever.

  88. Mark says:

    I’ll be the first to say I didn’t like the BSG series at all. I really slogged through it just to see the mysteries resolved. I saw someone in the comments mention “day time soap” and I really felt, other than the odd episode here and there, the entire series was just that – a poor day time soap.

    Still, the enticement of more good episodes (like the series openers) or mysteries being resolved kept me slogging along.

    So in that respect, I really thought the ending was as good as the rest of the series. Everything weird about the series was because of the religious overtones. It was a strange amalgamation of gritty realism with strange spirituality overlaid. So was it any surprise that it was neatly wrapped up with “God did it” ? It seems like it was perfectly in-line with everything that had come before.

    1. ‘Cause they flew it all into the sun? Even if people smuggled a gun here, or a some fertiliser there… it would only last a generation or two before breaking or running out. Without a way to maintain and update the technology you’d soon have people born without any knowledge of it.

    2. Maybe I overlooked it… but it seemed pretty obvious she was an angel. Something like that at least… once they established that things like angels exist, does it even MATTER what she was called? She was something God sent, same as angel Giaus and angel Six

    3. Again, maybe I just overlooked it, but I did assume practically all the bad Cylons died. The are many other things that make this point really quite believable:
    – The humans jumped to a practically random location in the universe. The remaining bad Cylons can only find them by random searches… with the size of the universe is it any surprise they would spend over 20,000 years without success?
    – The colonist destroyed all their technology. Until they landed on the planet surface they couldn’t even tell the nomadic humans existed. Without the colonist technology to detect, the Cylons could only find the colonists by actually landing on a random planet, in a random location, in the universe. They have practically no hope. And I suspect the colonists knew this, and that’s why they weren’t worried: “So long as we just trash our technology, the Cylons would NEVER find us.” In fact, leaving some vipers on patrol would be a terrible idea giving away their position.

    4. Almost certainly. I’m not sure why this would be surprising or unpleasant… Colonists would most likely have established a camp, after a while they probably established trade with neighbouring nomads. After a few short generations there would have been genetic mingling. This has happened consistently throughout human history (in fact, it even happened across species borders – with Homo Sapien crossing with Neanderthal.) I’m sure, over the course of history, there would have been some non-consensual sex between the groups… but also plenty of consensual sex too.

    Perhaps we are decedents of just the colonists, who dispalced the nomads (although why would the show would mention the nomads and being genetically compatible if they were simply wiped out ?) I also don’t really see why that’s unpleasant (or why it being unpleasant matters.) Do you find it unpleasant to think about the people that the Native Americans displaced as they moved into America? We have practically no evidence of them left – we know nothing about them… just like the Nomads. It’s just a curiosity, nothing more.

    5. Sure. Why wouldn’t they? In fact… it was made clear that they do. “Angels” were invented for the series, so the writers can do whatever they want with them. Why is it even a question that BSG Angels lust after mortals when it’s been shown they do? (Or at least manipulate them along those lines.)

    6. I guess I only ever saw the extended version. Saul says to Chief: “I would have done the same thing.” Ergo; The other three knew that she had murdered his wife, and agreed it was the right thing to do to kill her in retribution for it. Then, later, Chief heads off to Scotland or something. I think I’m missing a reference there (like Chief kicked along the early Scottish Celts or something?) but anyway, he seemed like he was wrapped up as well as anyone.

    7. Two equally possible explanations: The colonist introduced selective breeding. Noticing large cat-like creatures, they knew they’d be able to breed a smaller, domesticated version by selective breeding fairly quickly – so they did. Or, secondly, since nomad-humans and colonist-humans are genetically very similar, they come to the same conclusions. That is: These large vicious cats are pretty cool, if only they were smaller and less vicious. Why don’t we pick the smallest and tamest of each litter? And before you know it, we’ve bred local cats practically identical to Caprica cats.

    I was surprised to learn that people didn’t like the BSG wrap ups. It wasn’t great, but neither was the rest of the series. I thought it was about “as expected.”

  89. meamoi says:

    In response to 5.

    Read up on the biblical origins of one creature that appears in the bible:

    Nephilim.

    That should provide a sufficiently strong counter-argument to some of your points.

  90. B says:

    Just finished a 1-month BSG marathon at netflix. Very disappointed at the ending. Loved to hear/read views from other people who felt the same.
    I started watching the series for the science fiction. I kept watching for the human relations. One thing I thoroughly enjoyed was how nothing ever worked the way it was supposed to work. There was human error. There was sabotage. There was plain stupidity. You know, just like any other human endeavor.
    The lawyer in me also loved the moral conundrums. Outlawing abortion. Granting amnesty to some while putting others through trials. Resolving everything via a pragmatic decision that “we need to live and work together, so let`s look the other way”.
    Maybe this is why I was so disappointed at the ending. The show was so much about compromises and fallibility. In the end, we find out it was all the result of a perfect plan being executed. All of the agency, all of the human fallibility that came with the series, just down the drain.
    Enough with this series. Now, for something completely different.

  91. Patrick J. Robertson says:

    I love this movie. I was not entirely happy with the ending but in the end it all added up when you threw in Caprica for those who watched that show.

    The room program of the Cylons were based on Zoe Graystone who believed in one god and because of that all of the Cylons held the same belief even the Centorians.

    Remember the phrase for a child to reach its full potential the parents must die which is what sparked the war.

    Fast forward to the ending of the series. What they are suggesting is a sound theory. If an advanced technological civilization landed on earth and didn’t have a way to record their history/past/ present then eventually as they died that would be lost. As that is lost then their history becomes myth or legend. All early religions could have been based on this belief. It was the same with their sacred scrolls. They found out that they were a fraud and only a forgotten past remembered wrong. The lords of Kobol didn’t live on Kobol the lords of Kobol were the humans who walked alone with their creations the cylons. So in the end all religion could be based on an Alien society that crashed on earth hundreds of thousands of years ago and we remember them as the religions that we have today. What if someone landed on earth today and said hey you had this wrong sorry what really happened was …….

  92. xRei says:

    I only wanted to comment on one point. Specifically, I read a lot of comments where some people were kosher with the abandonment of science and technology in the ending for various reasons. Some of these reasons are pragmatic in nature(That old tech is only going to last so long before decaying into rusty junk), or philosophical(Science run amok which created the Cylons in the first place).

    But I think there is a distinct difference to be made on this point. Losing your technological and industrial base is a completely different thing than losing all knowledge of science and industry. I can accept that the majority of humans would be willing to give up their space ships to the sun because realistically they could never build the supporting infrastructure to maintain those ships before they spent the rest of their fuel and shut down for good. It would take generations to build up the infrastructure needed to become a space faring race once more. Everything from mining precious metals, to building refineries to process that metal and factories to make use of it, factories to process and create computer chips and components. Even things as simple and taken for granted as looms and seamstresses to make the clothes you wear. A space faring vessel represents the collective efforts of thousands of years of cumulative science and industry development that a small handful of humans could never hope to replicate in short order.

    But…

    In spite of that, just because you give up the aging wheel doesn’t mean you need to re-invent it again. These 30,000 survivors had the ability to read, write, and communicate through spoken language. While it wouldnt likely be possible to re-create a mirocosm of industry again, it should have been perfectly feasible for them to record what they know about science and industry and vastly reduce the amount of time, trial, and error that would inevitably be required to jump-start industry again. Knowledge of physics, aggriculture, and simple mechanically-powered engines(through steam, wind, or moving water) are very simple but profoundly important discoveries that could have allowed the humans on new-Earth a large leg up on re-inventing that wheel.

    Or they could just abandon all the medicine, science, and technology they have ever known and become an agrarian society that doesn’t apparently invent the wheel again for tens of thousands of years. I know, I know.. It’s just a show. It shouldn’t be expected that they would have Stephen Hawking as a stand by consultant to fact-check every plot point with perfect scientific accuracy, but, cmon.. This part of the ending is so absurd that it’s unfathomable. If a show wants to consider itself a work of science fiction, a certain amount of scientific plausibility must exist for it to be taken seriously, and the ending of BSG is ANYTHING but that. In fact, the ending effectively castrated the science and lept headlong into a pseudo-religious conclusion. And to be honest, even from a religious standpoint it would leave me wanting. It pleased me on absolutely no level. Which is unfortunate, but other than the latter end of season 4, I actually really enjoyed it up to that point.

  93. Larry says:

    I guess the problem I have with the show is that I just feel betrayed. I just finished watching the series and the finale just left me feeling a little “hollow” for lack of a better word. I had grown to like most of the characters and the ending left me wondering what was going to happen to them.

    I also feel that had this been real life, there is no way they would have abandoned technology. They just would not have been equipped to function without it. Not to mention that this left them with absolutely no defense against the Cylons.

    It also would have been better if the Earth had been unpopulated. How is it that none of the cavemen saw or heard the ships landing?

    My biggest problem however, is the way that everyone was just like “see ya later.” It didn’t make sense for the humans to spread out all over the planet if there was less than 40 thousand of them. This would greatly reduce their chances of survivability.

    What happened to Starbuck? Where did she go? That made absolutely no sense at all. And after watching the entire series, I’m left questioning if the cylons were good or bad.
    I really wish the writers would give us a mini-series as a follow up or even, to re-write the ending. I think enough people were unhappy with the ending that we would gladly accept an alternate ending. I just feel that as fans, we were cheated out of the ending that we deserved.

  94. lee says:

    I thought the ending was really clever, I was expecting them to arrive at earth and for it to be set in our future and them to be welcomed into society. A society that was far in advance of the cylons with planetary defenses etc etc. I was shocked when the real earth had been destroyed and was left questioning what are they going to do now. When they finally arrived at the second earth I must admit the whole thing with Kara disappearing annoyued the pants off me that really did deserve a better explanation. However the whole thing about them settling into as primative human culture I liked and the look forward through time to an modern industrial world where we are creating robott to do our menial taks played I felt on a long running fear portrayed in many filsm (terminator, Robocop to name a few) and TV series. All in all I thought it was grat best Tv series Ive ever watched i just didnt want it to end

  95. Houdini says:

    I recently completed viewing all four seasons of BSG. I watched several episodes back-to-back (four seasons in one week). For the most part I enjoyed it, yet, with reservations. There was a drop off in quality halfway through season two. Continuity was an issue throughout. I’m led to believe that there may have been a scriptwriter change during the series run.

    I’m not a deep thinker, thus, I was confused on many points of interest. This blog has cleared up a few things up.

    I marvel at all the insubordination on behalf of the military. The writers could easliy turned the series into a legal drama with all the court martials that should have taken place. I found Admiral Adama leaning toward a bi-polar mental state. It was hard following promotions and demotions. Apollo must be exhausted from adding and removing flair from his lapel. Apparently, Admiral Adama coined the phrase, “wishy-washy.”

    I could ramble on about the odd plot lines and character arcs; but I will let you decide.

  96. John Bellamy says:

    After watching the whole BSG over a 2 week period, I was saddened when it came to an end and saddened they seemed to run out of a better storyline for completion. Rather disappointing and confusing. Loved the series as I also loved Babylon 5 – which had a great deal more humour and times when you laughed and cried – and BSG was a mans programme full of guns and war, politics and the enemy.
    Loved it – just a shame about the end.

  97. Neil says:

    Perhaps their colony became know as Atlantis

    • Kyle W. says:

      See now, Neil, *that* would have been far more logical for them to do, both in terms of suspending disbelief and in trying to mesh the show with Earth history. (Assuming Atlantis was real, of course. ;-) )

  98. James says:

    The best possible ending would have been they made that final jump that broke Galacticas “back” so to speak only to have the fleet pass over the moon to reveal Spacedock orbiting Earth surrounded by Federation Starships.
    The Galactica and the fleet would have been greeted by Starfleet and everyone would take their place in history as the long lost colony that found their way home…

    Then maybe a sequel about how Starfleet and a newly repaired Galactica team up to find and eradicate the pesky cylons once and for all… so say we all!

    BEST SCI FI CROSSOVER ENDING EVER!

  99. Anonymous says:

    Well, I think it leaves a huge opening up for further adventures or stories.
    (remember the “earth” where they found the older cylon remains)
    there were other human survivors and I am more than willing to bet that there were a number of “skinjobs” and cylons, it’s time to start a new story.

  100. Ian says:

    I just marathoned the series in 2 weeks of night shift… Great series, awful ending. Why hasn’t anyone asked the most basic question???

    How in the hell did Giaus Baltar survive the nuclear attack on Caprica??? Six was killed and then downloaded. No way could a body shield the blast wave and radiological fallout…

  101. ZAR says:

    Ronald D. Moore is not JMS and SciFi-Channel is not Warner Bros. Maybe HBO could have handled this properly – for adults and thinking people you know.

    Instead we get a “take all the current topics (and lots of propaganda idiocy) and mix them with LOST and some religious motive to appease every possible nutcase in the audience”.

    I call Ronald D. Moore an IDIOT because he switched from proper Science Fiction to mumbo jumbo religious/mythical SHIT. And a LIAR because he had no PROPER ending for this series although he claimed it from the get go. So don’t believe this one a second time!

  102. If I were a red shirt I would insist on an unconditional date certain for dissolution and an unconditional date certain for an election.

  103. Mike Naughton says:

    I really enjoyed watching Battlestar Gallactica. I thought it ended weakly considering all the ideas it had dealt with.
    I became very tired of “God-talk”. The pettiness and small-mindedness that was attributed to spirituality made me wonder why anyone who even be interested in such diversions.

    Just live well and honestly gets the job done. Too much pontification makes spiritual observations seem to be agenda-driven rather than freely observed realities.

  104. David says:

    I think probably the biggest thing about giving up technology that no ones thought of is, not if they would want to (they wouldn’t, lets be honest) but if it would even be possible. Oh 40,000 of us survived genocide, welp heres some supplies go try to survive without the tech that youve lived with your ENTIRE life. Imagine if suddenly all the tech (limited in comparison) that we have suddenly cease to exist, how many people would die within a week? A month? A Year? There wouldnt be any left of the 40,000…..

    Also unrelated angel gaius and six have a lot more faith in humanity than I do, we are going to destroy ourselves.

    • Kyle W. says:

      You’re right, David. Having them dump the only way of life they’ve ever known to go frolic among the grass & trees was a head-bangingly silly thing to do. But it’s long been established that Hollywood has a strange fascination with primitivism.

      There was a movie that came out in 1980 called, “The Gods must be crazy.” about a primitive African tribe that discovers modern man. The story tries to push the same agenda, however, N!xau, the lead actor who actually came from that background, said that anyone who wants to live like his tribe on purpose must be crazy themselves. It’s a hard, brutal life that doesn’t have any of that ‘Return to nature’ enchantment crap.

  105. Kristoffer says:

    I think that in the last jump they make they all die. The “Earth” that they arrive at is actually heaven.

  106. Martin says:

    Hi
    First of all: This is a great article and the comment section is still active almost FOUR YEARS after its creation. Awesome!

    So, like many of you who have commented here, I just marathoned throug BSG because i was bedridden for 2 weeks. I loved it: The setting, i believe, is awesome; Post apocalyptic humans fleeing from rebelling Robots, Day-to-day struggles as well as grand schemes, compelling characters and riddles upon riddles? Just my cup of tea!

    After S3 I googled something about the show and got warned that the finale “might not satisfy everyone”. I consindered myself warned and dived into S4 which I enjoyed, though maybe not quiet as much as Seasons 1+2.
    Then came the last episodes… I was not prepared. In fact, I doubt anything could have prepared me for it.
    Since the many shortcommings have been discussed in length already, I will not dive in them again, except for this one: How could the writers of this show, who, for the most part, did a great job so far, RUIN the finale like that? Especially when you consider them KNOWING they had to wrap it up this season. I cannot comprehend it.

    My first thought: “I missed some MAJOR Plotpoints.” So i googled “What happened to Starbuck?”- And here I am. At least I am not alone in my struggle. It makes me unbelievably sad to see something I enjoyed so much come to such an ridiculous end. I will tell my friends to watch Seasons 1+2 and then stop with a smile on their faces.

    “I have often maintained that this blog is essentially a therapy session for disgruntled BSG fans.” Oh you are so right.

    • Ralph says:

      I still believe that Starbuck was an archangel. Her job was done, so she ascended. (there’s more to it than that, but that’s my theory, in a nutshell)

      • Martin says:

        Hi Ralph
        Yes, I´ve read that (or similar) theories in this blog. I do not hate the idea in general, but the already mentioned lack of explanation is what really frustrates me.

        Also, Starbuck going AWOL was meant just as one example of many, many Plotholes in the final episodes.

        • Ralph says:

          That AWOL is what really made me see it, though. She was there one moment, and gone the next. Her job was done — and she left.

          Kara was a warrior, a fighter, a commander, like Michael, like Gabriel, if you want to bring specific figures into it.

          For me, what sealed it was her re-appearance in the pristine Viper. I had my suspicions then — were they trying to show us she was a Cylon or something else? (I thought for certain they were going to bring in a variation of the “Ship of Light” (from the original series) in the next season opener, and we’d find out definitively what Kara was.

          And her discovery of her body and crashed Viper? Sauce for the goose. Something more for us to speculate about.

          So did they have an idea of what Kara was from square one? I dunno. I don’t think so, but it makes sense, even if it was ret-conned.

          One of the things I love about this series is that it gets you thinking; gets you talking. My oldest son (16) and I have been re-watching it, and usually for days after are in discussion about the social and spiritual issues brought up in the course of the show.

          And, like so many good works of fiction, it’s about what *you* see in it, not about what was put there by the writers, or what the next guy gets from it, though that works well in your own reflecting, if you get my meaning.

          (As been said here, I love that this show is still being talked about so many years after the finalé, and that a nearly three year old blog post is still a source of discussion.)

  107. Jude says:

    I’ve had many years to digest the show, and have re-watched it several times. When the show first aired, I stopped watching it after about the 2nd season. I was frustrated by all the references to religion, and thought, “Surely in the future, out among the stars, this is something that would fall by the wayside.” Remember, this show was being made at the same time as all that nonsense about a ‘clash of civilizations’ and a ‘new crusades’, Dubya’s ‘you’re either with us or against us,’ etc. The dominant SF tv show before BG was Star Trek, with its subtexts of a future socialist utopia (no more money, no more fundamentalist religions). BG has totally upended that. One thing we know is that great SF tells us more about the world we live in, then the actual future. Over time, I’ve come to love this aspect of the show: as humans explore space, mysteries grow and deepen, and fundamentally humans will stay the same. Issues that seemed to be resolved emerge once again in times of upheaval and crisis. I love that there are angels on the show, like Starbuck… My take on Gaius and Caprica 6 is that the angels are them, in the future. Somehow those 2 individuals *are* the “guardians of the human race,” as C6 tells Balthazar.

    Now on to the reality behind the metaphors. In the beginning of the show, we see humans and cylons locked in a struggle to annihilate the other. Each side has different religions, and different competing narratives about history. Sound familiar? Today as I write this, the legacy of American invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan continue, new fronts have opened in places like Syria, Yemen and Pakistan, while Israel invades Gaza. Bush’s dream of a New Crusade, a war without end, is still playing out over a decade later, and thanks to Bush and Cheney, al-Qaeda (the Cylons?) are larger than ever. But on the show Galactica, we find things are much more complicated (who is human? who is Cylon? Can anyone really be sure? Which side is “the gods”/”god” on? He seems to be on both sides, and the goal seems to be to bring the two sides together to live in peace.)

  108. Sam Worseldine says:

    I’ve just gone through a third BSG binge (much to my wife’s dismay), and loved it as much as the first time.

    My thoughts on Kara:

    Her ending was perfect. I think the show has reminded us that there are vast concepts and realities in our universe that we do not and perhaps will never understand. Kara was one of these instances – she disappeared because she had completed her life journey. Perhaps she was never truly human like the rest of us, but perhaps some higher being who needed to complete some sort of lesson in order to move on with her own evolution. She may be on the verge of becoming one of these higher beings we keep hearing about.

    On that note:

    The reference to “God” all the time, I believe, represents some highly advanced being(s). It was quite obvious to me that this being was overseeing the entire drama play out and more than likely was engineering the perfect circumstance for a hybrid human/cylon race to evolve. The reason we get so frustrated watching this, is because as humans living in a society highly dictated and influenced by religion, we are automatically opposed to it (those of us that are not religious). But why can’t we step outside our box of thinking? The people in BSG have mythologized the concept of Gods/angels/demons, because that is the only way they know how to describe it. Something out of the ordinary happens and we say “it must be a miracle!” or “an act of God!” when in actual fact, there may be a very real explanation for it (even if that explanation has something to do with a highly advanced being).

    I think if we can view the ending of BSG with an open mind, not constrained by our own chiseled into our brain ideological beliefs, then it will be that much more enjoyable.

    I loved it, and thank you to the original author for starting and keeping going an awesome debate about the best T.V. show of all time!

  109. David says:

    Well, here’s my guess as to why the show was great but not perfect and failed to wrap up every loose end in a logically and poetically satisfying way that no fan could dispute: it was humans, not Cylons, who wrote, directed, and produced, and performed it. I think the humans gave it their all.

  110. John says:

    They didn’t travel halfway across the galaxy, they traveled much further than that – at one point I remember a character say they went something like 14 million light years… our galaxy is something like 100,000 in diameter. Just wanted to point that out…

  111. nicolas says:

    Kara is an angel.. Gauis is God.. They where forced to leave their tecnoligy behind and the Cylons will be back cause all this has happend before and it wil happend again ! ! !

  112. Curmudgeon says:

    Um, the biggest trivial question for me and which my Google Search yielded this blog (and SEVERAL others I read…) was:

    WASN’T THAT A HANDGUN HIDDEN UNDER THE NAPKIN OR SOMETHING ON THE TABLE JUST AFTER ZAK STIRRED AND KARA GAVE UP ON SEDUCING HER FUTURE BROTHER-IN-LAW?????

    Okay, I’m pretty sure it wasn’t a salt shaker or something. But my ability (skill???) to pause on NetFlix is limited and I never could get a clear look at it. But when I watched that scene I was wondering if Kara was some real sicko who was going to cry “RAPE” and kill Lee for whatever truly mental reason(s) she could have been conjuring up and festering in.

    My Google-fu has been unable to isolate the search results to anyone else on the innernettt asking this question.

    for
    CWalois • 9 months ago (about = Feb 2014?) (Heck, I’m not even sure that comment was on THIS blog, I’ve read so much on this the past two weeks! Anyway, I wrote the first two sentences a few weeks ago but wanted to finish all comments before posting…)

    Ah, but Babylon 5 also has mysticism and spiritualism and hints of even prophesy and destiny. AND like BSG, B5 also has free will* of the characters playing a role. Perhaps it’s much more palatable being packaged in such a way that J’Kar’s insights are more vaguely sorta revealed from maybe a pool of amorphous wisdom rather than a *personal* “god” in a galaxy where the aligned and non-aligned worlds have just kicked the posing angels and demons to the curb?

    *Mormonism alert–“Agency”, in earlier decades often rendered as “Free Agency”. Then sports ruined the term “free agent”…IMO.

    Two things get missed in the major objections to a supreme being (intentionally not capitalized out of respect to our Atheist friends):

    1. Since death remains inevitable (think Jim Morrison popularized for a while one rendering of that idea…), the wholesale destruction of billions of humans in the 12 Colonies becomes personally for every one of those unfortunate souls “merely” an untimely acceleration of transitioning into what Anders called “the other side.” They were all going there anyway. IF you believe in rewards and punishments on the other side, well, whatever they do or don’t get is/was up to them and how they exercised their agency.

    2. Those who are posting around the idea that “the humans did it” IMO are onto something the writers tried, also IMO, somewhat ham-handedly to convey: the supreme being’s over-arching plan or design was to bring that particular batch of humanity to that new “Earth”. How many of them made it there was in large degree up to them, individually and collectively. Like many of us, some characters were inconsistent: Roslin for a long time believing there were some truths somewhat obscurely contained in the ancient scrolls, then after the bitterness of finding what turned out to be a Cylon Earth burned out and uninhabitable (Dualla’s suicide was TOTALLY believeable to me) NOT believing in revelations. At least for a time.
    ________

    I was first thinking that Kara was an undisclosed Human-Cylon hybrid whose musician father was the mysterious other of the Final (really first for these skin jobs) Five, who found herself resurrected after the blowup in front of Lee, was then sent in a Cylon-made Viper to Earth and crashed there and died a SECOND time. She gets resurrected again and sent back to the fleet with a Blues Brothers style “Mission from God” but programming (CAN you program a hybrid????) that leaves her without memory of doing all that stuff over something less than two months.

    Well, I was wrong about that one. I was even suspecting that the Cylon civil war had resulted in Daniel getting out in one single body and getting slipped onto the Galactica in a younger form that Kara somehow failed to recognize (yes, “God did it” works for me in little oddities like that) just to cement that musical element and prepare her to “some way outta here” the fleet to the newly-prepared Earth 2.0.

    Now think about that–”God did it” would also require the preparation of THAT (this) Earth starting somewhere between about 5.25 or whatever billion years ago and the ???65 million years ago when mammal life began its ascendancy. That’s some foresight AND patience now, isn’t it?

    Original BSG hinted it was in our future but I guess it morphed after jumping the shark to be parallel with us. THIS BSG is a measely 150,000 years in our past. Don’t put so much stock in your ideas of how humans will behave in OUR future–we seem to be chasing the same stupid behaviors as we did thousands of years ago, just with glass and metal and concrete cities instead of mud huts and stick dwellings.

    I’m okay with the “God (by any other name) did it” closing but hold the opinion that the approach was quite poorly executed by the writers under the direction of the producer(s). I’m sure they have NOT come completely clean about their plans and designs and changes thereto during season 4. There is literary value in keeping SOME level of mystery and a few unanswered questions, but this ending was way too much. That said, some of the objections in the original blog and the comments here are also a bit much but the DO enjoy the vitality of being for the most part much better reasoned and developed.

    At least they didn’t have the whole mess with everyone perpetually as clueless as Russell Crowe’s “Noah” was. That was scenically brilliant but otherwise positively awful as a story. Nevermind.

    I’m surprised, at the end here and this far post-season-ending, that it looks like no one as re-though the words about Kara and the “end” of humanity and also being the “harbinger of death”. Maybe Leoben #whatever coming back to be killt by his love interest over and over and over again was the ONLY character who ever had some level of decent clues to the divine plan. I believe the “end” was the end of one phase and the beginning of another. Perhaps even an “end purpose” of bringing Earth 2.0′s hominids into the world of language. I agree with whoever said something about having big or complex or deep or whatever ideas requires the *vocabulary* to HAVE them. Heard that one from my wife a few years ago. I also believe she was the harbinger of death for what we might call unrepentant Cylons, not the Human side of the conundrum.

    Like Blade Runner (name stolen from a completely different story and idea) which gave THIS story its term “skin jobs”, this BSG 2.0 most importantly deals with the ideas of what you might call rights of the sentient. Both stories showed that what Humans created was so much like humans, that the internal emotional state and cognitive processes of creator and creature were, at bottom, not meaningfully different. The one difference which unfortunately made a difference in the end was that the emotional maturity of the created was far behind the mental and physical abilities. Recreants were on close examination a LOT like four-year-olds in a few ways, and the fleshy Cylons (and the metal ones for that matter were most likely ALSO) pretty much on the emotional level of an angry and disappointed 16-year old girl. If anyone reading this has not watched the single season of Caprica, do so and you’ll understand probably by the fifth episode.

    And since I abandoned the original BSG some time before any Ship of Light or character resurrection happened, now I gotta go Google those things. See what you guys and gals have done?!?!?!?!?!?!!!!!!

    I hope these couple of ideas which do not appear to have been developed before prompt some further discussion event this late in the game. As blemished as the final season might have been, I totally agree with the conclusions above that one great success of the series is that it was indeed through-provoking, covered deep ideas, and prompts to this day some very meaningful discussions about the Human condition and what we just might do to ourselves if we do not respect our powers of creation.

    Come to think of it, those ideas about how we treat our robots aren’t just conjecture for the future–they are exactly how we need to think about our children and our neighbors and those who think they are our enemies. Treating all of the above with appropriate human respect will not today turn away all wrath, but it can move our world closer to a better way if we can survive the irrational hatred circulating about.

  113. Tony says:

    I’m watching this series again after 4 years. To all the commenters and the author of this post I have only TWO questions for you…
    1. What would YOU have done?
    2. Do you think you could do better?

    Sick of coming across these one off articles written by an “author” that would seem to have been not satisfied by ANY ending he witnessed. And sci-fi fans that complain about how every series, trilogy, game ends. Enjoy the fact that in the last decade we got to witness some quality sci-fi TV and let it go.

    • Andrew says:

      For starters, I would have revealed, as I think was implied, that BSG is set in Earth’s distant future rather than its distant past. That would solve a great many of the problems identified here. To be frank, them reaching an ancient version of our Earth just makes no sense, either in terms of biological history or the story. But even if I wanted to reach that ending, I would have toned down the explicit god and “this all happened by divine will” stuff. A little divine “inspiration” or “nudge” in the right direction would have been fine, but as I mentioned in the article, explicitly invoking the divine to the extent that the ending did took away the agency from the characters. I would have made their choices what drove the story and the ending instead of a supernatural guiding force.

      As to whether I could have actually done better, I’m less bullish on that point. Making television is hard and making great television is even harder. But what was particularly frustrating about the final stretch of this show is that it was great television for so long. RDM & Co. proved that they had the capability. They just faltered in the execution.

      And, for whatever it’s worth I enjoyed the endings of Firefly, Futurama, and even Cloud Atlas as sci-fi projects go.

  114. Bryce Sarro says:

    What kind of research do you do to come to these conclusions? Thanks for sharing!

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  116. Pod says:

    I have a theory about the final ‘Earth’.

    Basically it was the same ‘Earth’ they visited the first occasion.

    In the finale they battled next to a blackhole, which itself bends time and space. By jumping from this location, after destabilising the colonies orbit they jumped backwards in time.

    By doing so they actually founded the 13th colony.

  117. James says:

    You sound like your trying to write more intelligently then you are.

  118. Andrew says:

    Acknowledging that correcting grammar in comments on the internet is about as pedantic as it gets, I believe you mean “You sound like you’re trying to write more intelligently than you are.”

    And what can I say? I write how I write.

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